[LRFlex] Re: LeicaR/Canon 20D gallery?
- From: Doug Herr <telyt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 18:22:12 -0800
Steve, I think this adapter includes some optics that multiply the focal
length by 1.4 and isn't APO quality if you catch my drift.
Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento
http://www.wildlightphoto.com
on 12/7/04 4:34 PM, Steve Barbour at kididdoc@xxxxxxx wrote:
> thank you for this detailed summary Douglas... I
> notice an adapter ...canon FD to EOS.... I assume
> this means I could use my Canon FD L glass from my
> F1 on the 20D....with the adapter and with auto
> exposure.... just like the Leica R glass....more
> later....Steve
>
> Douglas M. Sharp wrote:
>> quite impressive Douglas... !! Did you get the 20D recently? Have
>> you shot any straight bw images with it? Are you using only leica R
>> galss? Steve
>>
>> See above for Steve's message, then I can answer in one.
>>
>> Hello Steve and Dave,
>> I bought it on Friday last week.
>> I've been using a 300D (D-Rebel) since summer, I bought it because my R7
>> went temporarily on the blink while on holiday in the UK, turned out to
>> be a circuitry problem in the motor drive which bu--ered up the
>> operation of the body.
>> First off, I was already very impressed with the performance of the 300D
>> in all sorts of situations, but particularly in low light. It's simple
>> to use and delivers pretty reliable metering results, never more than
>> 3/4 of a stop off even when shooting big black steam engines against a
>> light background. Three things did not impress me at all :
>> 1) It's much too light ! Even with the battery handgrip attached
>> 2) It takes too long to wake up after you switch it on
>> 3) Very sensitive to extraneous light entering through the ocular and
>> screwing up the exposure.
>> Otherwise it is a brilliant entry level DSLR and has the immense
>> advantage that you can adapt just about any lens to the EOS mount (with
>> limitations)which clinched it for me when considering the Nikon D70.
>>
>> So, having read a lot of reviews of the 20D and having borrowed one for
>> a day or too from my local dealer I decided to take the plunge. Points
>> 1) and 2) are no longer a problem,point 3) was just something I
>> personally didn't notice with film cameras.
>> First impressions :
>> The 20D feels good and solid, its got around 200grammes of extra weight
>> (magnesium chassis) and it's perfectly distributed.
>> It's very ergonomic, my fingers always end up where the main controls are.
>> It's fast too when using AF lenses.
>> The finish is good enough that Leica lenses look at home on it.
>>
>> To get back to specific questions :
>> The viewfinder is bright and clear on both DSLRs, what is missing is the
>> "snap"
>> into focus I'm used to from Leica SL, SL2 and R bodies. I've found you
>> can get by very well with Telephoto lenses but with WA at wide open
>> apertures it gets a bit difficult to ascertain whether the shot is
>> focussed exactly where you want it.
>> I'm going to try and find some kind of magnifier to see if this problem
>> can be reduced. I would really prefer ground glass or a split image
>> focussing aid.
>> Although for the type of photography I generally do the exactness of the
>> point of focus is hardly ever critical. For trains and landscapes I need
>> depth.
>> So, now the boring bit - a list of the glass I've tried so far,all of
>> them on the EOS 300D, some of them on the 20D.
>>
>> Adapters first :
>> Novoflex Leica-R to EOS, well made but a bit of a bind getting it off
>> some lenses.
>> HAMA M42 to EOS (they also make a reasonably priced Canon FD to EOS
>> adapter)
>> HAMA T2 to EOS
>> Zörkendorfer Contax/Yashica to EOS
>> (sorry Stephen Gandy but I was at the Photokina and picked these up at a
>> discount, which unfortunately undercut your prices).
>>
>> Wide angles :
>> Leica-R Super Angulon 21/4
>> Leica-R Elmarit 28/2.8
>> Paragon 28/2.8 (C/Y)
>> Leica-R Summicron 35/2
>> Pentacon 30/3.5 (M42)
>>
>> Standard Lenses
>> Zeiss 50/1.7 (C/Y)
>> Leica R Summicron 50/2
>>
>> Macro lenses
>> Yashica 55/2.8 Macro (C/Y) a brilliant lens!!)
>> Leica Macro-Elmarit 100/4
>>
>> Telephoto
>> Pentax 135/2.5 (M42)
>> Zeiss 135/2.8 (C/Y)
>> Tamron Adaptall 2 200/3.5
>> Tele-Lumax 105/2.4 (T2-unknown maker but an excellent lens)
>> Leica Telyt-R 250/4
>> Novoflex T-Noflexar 400/5.6 (the one with pistol grip focussing)
>> Russian (Maksutov?) 500/8 mirror lens (T2)
>> Sigma 600/8 (M42) mirror lens with excellent performance if you can
>> stand the rings in the O.O.F parts of the picture.
>>
>> AF-Zoom lenses
>> Tamron 28-200mm
>> Voigtländer Ultron 28-105mm this lens is not as good as it should be to
>> carry the name of Voigtländer.
>> Canon EF-S 18-55mm dedicated to DSLRs - this lens is 10 times better
>> than it feels to be.
>> Canon EF28-135 Image stabilised - this is absolutely fantastic,
>> particularly when you consider that not only the focal length is
>> affected by the crop factor of 1.6, the camera shake factor is
>> multiplied to the same extent.
>>
>> When I can afford it, the next lens will have to be something around
>> 12mm or so.
>>
>> There have been absolutely no problems with any of these lenses which
>> could have been attributed to the camera body, in fact a couple of them
>> surprised me with results I had never expected.
>> If anyone is planning to use M42 lenses then make sure they have the
>> possibilty
>> of manually stopping down the aperture, the adapters don't operate or
>> push in the stopping pin.
>>
>> Enough technical guff, no Steve I didn't try B/W with it yet.I'm
>> planning to get out at the weekend and do some at the local lake or by
>> the canal, hope I get some nice clouds.
>> BTW the new Canon software, once you've understood how to use it, is
>> fast and turned out to be quite intuitive. And for those who are using
>> PS Elements 3.0
>> both cameras are supported - RAW format CRW and CR2.
>> That's enough now, it's just after 1AM here, as soon as I get more into
>> the operation of the 20D I'll post some more.
>> cheers
>> Douglas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Saalsaa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Douglas,
>>> Very impressive. How you do you rate the focusing ability using the
>>> manual focus Leica lenses with the 20D?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas M. Sharp"
>>> <DouglasMSharp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [LRFlex] Re: LeicaR/Canon 20D gallery?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> a couple of rather unrepresentative shots, the Roasted Almond stall
>>>> was taken in front of the local department store in near darkness a
>>>> couple of hours ago.
>>>> Camera EOS 20D, Summicron-R 35/2 at f2, ISO equivalent 400
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_0005_RT8_copy Full frame
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_centre_RT8 centre crop
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_left_RT8 right of frame
>>>> The new shot of Posy was taken with the same set-up at Iso equivalent
>>>> 1600.
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Posy_0007_RT8_copy full frame
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Posy_Centre_1600ASA centre crop
>>>> I think they all show that Canon have certainly got the digital noise
>>>> problem
>>>> down to an absolute minimum.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Douglas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have an online gallery showing images from the LeicaR
>>>>> lens/Canon 20D body combination.....?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would someone like to post some for us to see, possibly with
>>>>> generous file size?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks, Steve
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