[LRFlex] Re: LeicaR/Canon 20D gallery?
- From: "Douglas M. Sharp" <DouglasMSharp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:07:56 +0100
quite impressive Douglas... !! Did you get the 20D recently? Have you shot
any straight bw images with it? Are you using only leica R galss? Steve
See above for Steve's message, then I can answer in one.
Hello Steve and Dave,
I bought it on Friday last week.
I've been using a 300D (D-Rebel) since summer, I bought it because my R7 went
temporarily on the blink while on holiday in the UK, turned out to be a
circuitry problem in the motor drive which bu--ered up the operation of the body.
First off, I was already very impressed with the performance of the 300D in all
sorts of situations, but particularly in low light. It's simple to use and
delivers pretty reliable metering results, never more than 3/4 of a stop off
even when shooting big black steam engines against a light background. Three
things did not impress me at all :
1) It's much too light ! Even with the battery handgrip attached
2) It takes too long to wake up after you switch it on
3) Very sensitive to extraneous light entering through the ocular and screwing
up the exposure.
Otherwise it is a brilliant entry level DSLR and has the immense advantage that
you can adapt just about any lens to the EOS mount (with limitations)which
clinched it for me when considering the Nikon D70.
So, having read a lot of reviews of the 20D and having borrowed one for a day or
too from my local dealer I decided to take the plunge. Points 1) and 2) are no
longer a problem,point 3) was just something I personally didn't notice with
film cameras.
First impressions :
The 20D feels good and solid, its got around 200grammes of extra weight
(magnesium chassis) and it's perfectly distributed.
It's very ergonomic, my fingers always end up where the main controls are.
It's fast too when using AF lenses.
The finish is good enough that Leica lenses look at home on it.
To get back to specific questions :
The viewfinder is bright and clear on both DSLRs, what is missing is the "snap"
into focus I'm used to from Leica SL, SL2 and R bodies. I've found you can get
by very well with Telephoto lenses but with WA at wide open apertures it gets a
bit difficult to ascertain whether the shot is focussed exactly where you want it.
I'm going to try and find some kind of magnifier to see if this problem can be
reduced. I would really prefer ground glass or a split image focussing aid.
Although for the type of photography I generally do the exactness of the point
of focus is hardly ever critical. For trains and landscapes I need depth.
So, now the boring bit - a list of the glass I've tried so far,all of them on
the EOS 300D, some of them on the 20D.
Adapters first :
Novoflex Leica-R to EOS, well made but a bit of a bind getting it off some lenses.
HAMA M42 to EOS (they also make a reasonably priced Canon FD to EOS adapter)
HAMA T2 to EOS
Zörkendorfer Contax/Yashica to EOS
(sorry Stephen Gandy but I was at the Photokina and picked these up at a
discount, which unfortunately undercut your prices).
Wide angles :
Leica-R Super Angulon 21/4
Leica-R Elmarit 28/2.8
Paragon 28/2.8 (C/Y)
Leica-R Summicron 35/2
Pentacon 30/3.5 (M42)
Standard Lenses
Zeiss 50/1.7 (C/Y)
Leica R Summicron 50/2
Macro lenses
Yashica 55/2.8 Macro (C/Y) a brilliant lens!!)
Leica Macro-Elmarit 100/4
Telephoto
Pentax 135/2.5 (M42)
Zeiss 135/2.8 (C/Y)
Tamron Adaptall 2 200/3.5
Tele-Lumax 105/2.4 (T2-unknown maker but an excellent lens)
Leica Telyt-R 250/4
Novoflex T-Noflexar 400/5.6 (the one with pistol grip focussing)
Russian (Maksutov?) 500/8 mirror lens (T2)
Sigma 600/8 (M42) mirror lens with excellent performance if you can stand the
rings in the O.O.F parts of the picture.
AF-Zoom lenses
Tamron 28-200mm
Voigtländer Ultron 28-105mm this lens is not as good as it should be to carry
the name of Voigtländer.
Canon EF-S 18-55mm dedicated to DSLRs - this lens is 10 times better than it
feels to be.
Canon EF28-135 Image stabilised - this is absolutely fantastic, particularly
when you consider that not only the focal length is affected by the crop factor
of 1.6, the camera shake factor is multiplied to the same extent.
When I can afford it, the next lens will have to be something around 12mm or so.
There have been absolutely no problems with any of these lenses which could have
been attributed to the camera body, in fact a couple of them surprised me with
results I had never expected.
If anyone is planning to use M42 lenses then make sure they have the possibilty
of manually stopping down the aperture, the adapters don't operate or push in
the stopping pin.
Enough technical guff, no Steve I didn't try B/W with it yet.I'm planning to get
out at the weekend and do some at the local lake or by the canal, hope I get
some nice clouds.
BTW the new Canon software, once you've understood how to use it, is fast and
turned out to be quite intuitive. And for those who are using PS Elements 3.0
both cameras are supported - RAW format CRW and CR2.
That's enough now, it's just after 1AM here, as soon as I get more into the
operation of the 20D I'll post some more.
cheers
Douglas
Dave Saalsaa wrote:
Hi Douglas,
Very impressive. How you do you rate the focusing ability using the
manual focus Leica lenses with the 20D?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas M. Sharp"
<DouglasMSharp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: [LRFlex] Re: LeicaR/Canon 20D gallery?
Steve,
a couple of rather unrepresentative shots, the Roasted Almond stall
was taken in front of the local department store in near darkness a
couple of hours ago.
Camera EOS 20D, Summicron-R 35/2 at f2, ISO equivalent 400
http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_0005_RT8_copy Full frame
http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_centre_RT8 centre crop
http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Bude_left_RT8 right of frame
The new shot of Posy was taken with the same set-up at Iso equivalent
1600.
http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Posy_0007_RT8_copy full frame
http://gallery.leica-users.org/TESTS/Posy_Centre_1600ASA centre crop
I think they all show that Canon have certainly got the digital noise
problem
down to an absolute minimum.
Cheers
Douglas
Steve Barbour wrote:
Does anyone have an online gallery showing images from the LeicaR
lens/Canon 20D body combination.....?
Would someone like to post some for us to see, possibly with generous
file size?
thanks, Steve
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