[LRflex] Re: Leica 'grade' Super Wides? (was R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the last one)
- From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:29:57 -0800
Well, I can tell you from experience, don't go the Canon route unless you
have a bunch of Canon glass already. Metering is not pleasant. The only
reason I went Canon 3.5 years ago is that at that time it was the only game
in town for mounting R glass, other than the DMR, which is far superior but
would not suit my needs due to size and weight.
Now there are quite a few options, all with the same limitation of stopped
down metering, but I can live with that, and if not, I then use a dedicated
AF lens in those cases. I was going to wait to see what the new Sigma could
do, but I changed my mind when the D7000 was introduced. May be a mistake,
but who knows when the Sigma will be out and how good the new Foveon chip
will be.
Aram
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From: "Kevin Willey" <kevinwilley@xxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:49 AM
To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica 'grade' Super Wides? (was R glass on Nikon
question - hopefully the last one)
> Probably quite a few on standing on the edge seriously contemplating a
> leap to Nikon that will effectively use Leica-R lenss. Thus, I've
> followed this thread with keen interest and also genuinely appreciate
> everyone's contributions in this regard.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin
> Germany
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 7:36 PM, philippe.amard wrote:
>
>> Hi Aram, thanks for raising the questions :-)
>>
>> I'm on the same curve, have been for a while, and remain undecided
>> though.
>>
>> Sold the 24 Elmarit, will sell more, but as I still have this
>> marvellous 7-14 FT zoom I'm uncertain about the nikon route for me.
>>
>> I might wait for you to post some Leikon flowers to decide ;-)
>>
>> Keep digging
>>
>> Bien amicalement
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>> Le 7 déc. 10 à 19:26, Aram Langhans a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about the super wides from Leica and frankly I don't
>>> care. I
>>> doubt I will be buying any more R glass. I feel abandoned. I like
>>> what I
>>> have, and though my 24 was good for full frame film, I need wider
>>> for the
>>> crop sensor digital. I will go with a wide zoom for that purpose even
>>> though there are so many trade offs. Most of my work can be covered
>>> with
>>> the Leica 35-70 and my beloved 100 APO macro. Other things are used
>>> less
>>> often, so a large investment is not warranted as an amateur.
>>>
>>> It is bind boggling looking at the selections available for Nikon
>>> and Canon.
>>> And none are great at everything, it seems, if you can believe in
>>> depth
>>> reviews. With Leica, all lenses were good at what they did. Your
>>> choices
>>> were max aperture and of course money. But I could be reasonably
>>> assured
>>> that at similar f-stops, they were all similar, unless you put that
>>> APO in
>>> there.
>>> A 50/1.4 was better at 1.4 than a 50/2 only because it couldn't
>>> compete at
>>> that f-stop. Worth triple the price? If you need 1.4, yes, if
>>> not, no.
>>>
>>> I am narrowing my choice for my first lenses. I think the 12-24
>>> Tokina is
>>> in the lead for the wide, and then to augment the tele range, the
>>> Nikon
>>> 70-300 VR is looking good. The mid ranges will be filled in with
>>> Leica
>>> glass for now. I still will need one normal range zoom with VR and
>>> AF for
>>> situations where I can't shoot quick enough with my manual glass.
>>> Maybe a
>>> 2.8 version in that range, too.
>>>
>>> Aram
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:16 AM
>>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [LRflex] Leica 'grade' Super Wides? (was R glass on Nikon
>>> question - hopefully the last one)
>>>
>>>> Hi Aram,
>>>> I wonder which Leica wide angles (beyond say 24mm) are of premium
>>>> quality? My
>>>> understanding is that in the R mount the pickings get slimmer as the
>>>> angles get
>>>> wider and looking to a Zeiss or 'whomever' gets to be a reasonable
>>>> choice.
>>>> The
>>>> M's on the other hand have some splendid 'film' lenses to choose from
>>>> ranging
>>>> from cheep voightlanders to pricey Leica's, but that Digital really
>>>> put a
>>>> cat
>>>> amongst the pidgeons as far as image quality goes. That the M mount's
>>>> narrow
>>>> lens to sensor distances make color shifts, chromatic abberations,
>>>> and
>>>> other
>>>> anomalies, a 'right nightmare' to cope with as a lens/camera
>>>> designer and
>>>> makes
>>>> seamless usage by photog's a near impossibility.
>>>> Anyway... what's the options here?
>>>>
>>>> r/.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [---Insert Irony Here---]
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 12:06:09 PM
>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>>> last one
>>>>
>>>> That is probably what I am going to do. In comparing the different
>>>> brands
>>>> and slightly different ranges in the super-wide arena, there are
>>>> not real
>>>> outstanding Leica quality lenses out there. They all have strong
>>>> points
>>>> and
>>>> weak points and compromises no matter which one you get. Tokina's
>>>> Achilles
>>>> heel is pretty high CA and far edge performance at the widest
>>>> settings,
>>>> probably due to the CA. Yet I have been using it to make useful
>>>> images
>>>> for
>>>> about two years now, so if I can't significantly improve on its
>>>> performance
>>>> in a Nikon mount, it makes sense to save some bucks and get it in
>>>> Nikon
>>>> mount.
>>>>
>>>> Aram
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:59 AM
>>>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>>> last one
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aram,
>>>>> it occurs to me if that you are happy with the Tokina 12-24, as
>>>>> noted
>>>>> below,
>>>>> it would seem logical to make the move to trade it in for one that
>>>>> has a
>>>>> Nikon
>>>>> Mount. Are you moving away from Full Frame to Cropped or something
>>>>> and
>>>>> need the
>>>>> 'millimeters' to stay super-wide angle?
>>>>> Richard in Michigan
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [---Insert Irony Here---]
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:45:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>>>> last one
>>>>>
>>>>> " I have the Tokina 12-24
>>>>> for my Canon and am fairly happy with the results. I am also
>>>>> considering
>>>>> the Nikon 10-24. But the extra 2 mm comes at about triple the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aram
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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