[LRflex] Re: Leica 'grade' Super Wides? (was R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the last one)
- From: Kevin Willey <kevinwilley@xxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:49:18 +0100
Probably quite a few on standing on the edge seriously contemplating a leap to
Nikon that will effectively use Leica-R lenss. Thus, I've followed this thread
with keen interest and also genuinely appreciate everyone's contributions in
this regard.
Cheers,
Kevin
Germany
On Dec 7, 2010, at 7:36 PM, philippe.amard wrote:
> Hi Aram, thanks for raising the questions :-)
>
> I'm on the same curve, have been for a while, and remain undecided
> though.
>
> Sold the 24 Elmarit, will sell more, but as I still have this
> marvellous 7-14 FT zoom I'm uncertain about the nikon route for me.
>
> I might wait for you to post some Leikon flowers to decide ;-)
>
> Keep digging
>
> Bien amicalement
> Philippe
>
>
> Le 7 déc. 10 à 19:26, Aram Langhans a écrit :
>
>>
>> I don't know about the super wides from Leica and frankly I don't
>> care. I
>> doubt I will be buying any more R glass. I feel abandoned. I like
>> what I
>> have, and though my 24 was good for full frame film, I need wider
>> for the
>> crop sensor digital. I will go with a wide zoom for that purpose even
>> though there are so many trade offs. Most of my work can be covered
>> with
>> the Leica 35-70 and my beloved 100 APO macro. Other things are used
>> less
>> often, so a large investment is not warranted as an amateur.
>>
>> It is bind boggling looking at the selections available for Nikon
>> and Canon.
>> And none are great at everything, it seems, if you can believe in
>> depth
>> reviews. With Leica, all lenses were good at what they did. Your
>> choices
>> were max aperture and of course money. But I could be reasonably
>> assured
>> that at similar f-stops, they were all similar, unless you put that
>> APO in
>> there.
>> A 50/1.4 was better at 1.4 than a 50/2 only because it couldn't
>> compete at
>> that f-stop. Worth triple the price? If you need 1.4, yes, if
>> not, no.
>>
>> I am narrowing my choice for my first lenses. I think the 12-24
>> Tokina is
>> in the lead for the wide, and then to augment the tele range, the
>> Nikon
>> 70-300 VR is looking good. The mid ranges will be filled in with
>> Leica
>> glass for now. I still will need one normal range zoom with VR and
>> AF for
>> situations where I can't shoot quick enough with my manual glass.
>> Maybe a
>> 2.8 version in that range, too.
>>
>> Aram
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:16 AM
>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [LRflex] Leica 'grade' Super Wides? (was R glass on Nikon
>> question - hopefully the last one)
>>
>>> Hi Aram,
>>> I wonder which Leica wide angles (beyond say 24mm) are of premium
>>> quality? My
>>> understanding is that in the R mount the pickings get slimmer as the
>>> angles get
>>> wider and looking to a Zeiss or 'whomever' gets to be a reasonable
>>> choice.
>>> The
>>> M's on the other hand have some splendid 'film' lenses to choose from
>>> ranging
>>> from cheep voightlanders to pricey Leica's, but that Digital really
>>> put a
>>> cat
>>> amongst the pidgeons as far as image quality goes. That the M mount's
>>> narrow
>>> lens to sensor distances make color shifts, chromatic abberations,
>>> and
>>> other
>>> anomalies, a 'right nightmare' to cope with as a lens/camera
>>> designer and
>>> makes
>>> seamless usage by photog's a near impossibility.
>>> Anyway... what's the options here?
>>>
>>> r/.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> [---Insert Irony Here---]
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 12:06:09 PM
>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>> last one
>>>
>>> That is probably what I am going to do. In comparing the different
>>> brands
>>> and slightly different ranges in the super-wide arena, there are
>>> not real
>>> outstanding Leica quality lenses out there. They all have strong
>>> points
>>> and
>>> weak points and compromises no matter which one you get. Tokina's
>>> Achilles
>>> heel is pretty high CA and far edge performance at the widest
>>> settings,
>>> probably due to the CA. Yet I have been using it to make useful
>>> images
>>> for
>>> about two years now, so if I can't significantly improve on its
>>> performance
>>> in a Nikon mount, it makes sense to save some bucks and get it in
>>> Nikon
>>> mount.
>>>
>>> Aram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:59 AM
>>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>> last one
>>>
>>>> Hi Aram,
>>>> it occurs to me if that you are happy with the Tokina 12-24, as
>>>> noted
>>>> below,
>>>> it would seem logical to make the move to trade it in for one that
>>>> has a
>>>> Nikon
>>>> Mount. Are you moving away from Full Frame to Cropped or something
>>>> and
>>>> need the
>>>> 'millimeters' to stay super-wide angle?
>>>> Richard in Michigan
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [---Insert Irony Here---]
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:45:48 AM
>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: R glass on Nikon question - hopefully the
>>>> last one
>>>>
>>>> " I have the Tokina 12-24
>>>> for my Canon and am fairly happy with the results. I am also
>>>> considering
>>>> the Nikon 10-24. But the extra 2 mm comes at about triple the cost.
>>>>
>>>> Aram
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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