[LRflex] Re: Leica R rumours?
- From: "FLAVIO GORI" <flaviogori@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:17:32 +0200
R4s (35 PA Curtagon, 60 Macro Elmarit, 180 ApoTelyt)
M4 (50 Summicron and 21 f:3.4 Super Angulon)
Mini
Pradovit 250
Trinovid 10x40
Leitz black bag for M
1955-1975-1993 Leitz catalogue
Leica Neck keychain
Leica TShirt
Some M books
LFI subscriber since 1983
Maybe I'm missing something...
Looking for M3 built in March 1955
Would love R- f:6.8 400mm - Grenoble and M8
Do I need therapy? Think so.
Flavio
On 31/05/07, Ed Willoughby <ed_willoughby@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> A few:
>
> M3 (50 mm)
> Minilux
> CL (40 mm)
> R7 (24, 50, 135, 250 mm and 2x)
>
> Ed.
> Gary Pinkerton <gpinkcp@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Nothing like you guys, but, more gear than I actually have a need for:
> R8 x 2
> SL
> IIIc
> Mini II
>
>
> >From: Douglas Herr
> >Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica R rumours?
> >Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 05:33:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> >
> >I'd be curious to see how many of us have multiple Leicas like Alex and
> >Douglas.
> >
> >Mine:
> >
> >Leicaflex Standard x2
> >Leicaflex SL several
> >Leicaflex SL2 x2
> >Leica R4
> >Leica R4sP
> >Leica R8/DMR
> >
> >Doug Herr
> >Birdman of Sacramento
> >http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Alex Hurst
> > >Sent: May 31, 2007 4:43 AM
> > >To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica R rumours?
> > >
> > >Douglas wrote in part:
> > >
> > >>I use almost everything :-)
> > >>M2, M6, M4-2, CL, CLE (not quite Leica) IIIG, SL(several), SL2
> > >>(several), SL2Mot, R5 and R7, when I have time (usually about 3 to 4
> > >>weeks a year).
> > >
> > >
> > >Jaysus, Douglas, you're as bad as me! Last count was:
> > >
> > >LTM: 1926/27 I converted to III, 1932 Standard, IIIa, IIIf.
> > >M: M2 (2), M3, M4-P, M6, CL.
> > >R: SL, SL2 (2), R3 MOT.
> > >
> > >All of these get used in regular rotation, apart from the R3, which I
> > >don't get on with. Anyone want a nice R3 MOT plus slightly
> > >temperamental winder? Email me off-list - sorry, it's not Friday.
> > >
> > >
> > >>The basic problem for Leica is their existing customer base - this
> > >>limits the scope of what they can sell at present, and as I have
> > >>mentioned before, is gradually diminishing through age. The
> demographic
> > >>factor is the death sentence for Leica in its present form. Leica
> needs
> > >>a new brand image and identity for a market that has not yet been
> > >>confronted with the qualities and charisma of the Leica we all (most
> of
> > >>us over 50 - and with perhaps. at the most, 20 to 30 years of
> potential
> > >>Leica purchasing power ahead of us) know and "love".
> > >
> > >This is a problem for the LHSA too - there weren't that many
> > >youngsters at the Wetzlar meet last year.....
> > >
> > >>Whether Leica sinks or swims is a matter of brand management and
> feeding
> > >>the market where it's hungry, not where it's more or less saturated.
> > >>Leica relies on us for a "professional" view of what Leica tradition
> > >>demands and what "conservative" photographers want, what this means
> when
> > >>you get down to the hard facts is, we are a bunch of relatively
> > >>"ancient" advisors whose opinions are treasured but only as a
> guideline
> > >>about what NOT to do. Leica's lack of success is based on the fact
> that
> > >>the market has been limited to people like us.
> > >
> > >Not sure that the sage advice of us ancients is not heeded by Solms.
> > >After all, most of us seem to have also embraced digital in some
> > >shape or form, so we look forward as well as back. I went the Nikon
> > >D200 route, and am very happy I did.
> > >
> > >Our problem is that we have a significant investment in the past as
> > >well as the future of Leica. If they fudge the issue of backward lens
> > >compatibility for a new DSLR, then there's little incentive for us to
> > >buy a new body. Nikon have addressed this successfully - I can use
> > >nearly all my MF Nikon glass on the D200 with focus confirmation and
> > >matrix metering, and do so frequently. I hope Leica can emulate them.
> > >
> > >>It would be interesting to see statistics showing the percentage of
> > >>first-time buyers who purchased an M8 - I expect that it tends towards
> > >>zero. This is NOT a sound basis for sustainable success.
> > >
> > >It would indeed. I suspect Leica don't know themselves. OTOH,
> > >received wisdom is that the M8 is still flying off the shelves
> > >despite its high price, and I can't believe that this is entirely due
> > >to the old guard upgrading. If it is, then the future for Leica is
> > >indeed as bleak as Douglas implies.
> > >
> > >>It may be hard for some of us, but for Leica it's a matter of survival
> > >>in a predators market.
> > >
> > >That's why I hope that a new digital R will not be too little too
> > >late, as was the case with the 'flexes. R&D is moving at such a pace
> > >in the DSLR field that it's going to be very difficult to offer a
> > >product from scratch that is even competitive, let alone a
> > >market-leader designwise.
> > >
> > >Best
> > >
> > >Alex
> > >--
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> > >Waterfall
> > >Near Cork
> > >Ireland
> > >
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