Ted Grant <tedgrant@xxxxxxx> wrote: >Douglas Herr said: >>> Yup, full aperture. I'm enjoying being able to use slower films in >>> forested enviornments but as you mentioned the DOF is less than >>> negligible.<<< >>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com/mammals/spike.jpg<<<< > Hi Doug, > But is this not an asset to the lens? It's super shallow depth keeps > otherwise "sharp objects" out of focus so they do not distract from the main > subject? Plus a faster lens and as you say, allows for slower ASA films. > ERGO: better reproductions. a definite YES. Particularly in the forest environment where uncluttered backgrounds DON'T EXIST. I like having a suggestion of the environment in the background but quite often at f/6.8 the BG is so cluttered that it overwhelms the subject. With the f/2.8 lens I have a choice: big aperture to wipe out the background or small aperture to show more of it. > So do you find better or not so better out of focus areas with the 400 2.8 > wide open? Aside from the bigger aperture I find the 2.8's bokeh to be quite good so from an optical point of view this lens is a winner. The things I don't like about it are the weight, the ergonomics and the tactile feedback. But getting f/2.8 in something as light as the f/6.8 Telyts won't happen, and getting a better ergonomic design or tactile feedback anywhere near the price I paid is wishful thinking. If I were getting paid well enough for my photos there's no question I'd be looking for a Leica 400mm f/2.8 APO or maybe even a modular Telyt but for my use and the revenue stream I expect from it the Canon is great. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr/lrflex.htm Archives are at: www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/