Thank You for your compliments Aram & Philippe. It is entirely possible that 'Shadow & Ice' is the highest quality image I've ever made with a Digital Camera. There are some 35mm, TLR, and 4x5 images I've made in my past which could surely give it a run on 'internal' image quality measures, but they wouldn't be any more successful as 'images' than this one with the Pancolar Fifty. Analagous to what one of you has already said is that I'd never of had this image to share if I'd just sat on my hands lamenting not having a Summi Fifty to shoot with. I got that image because of making the active decision to be a photographer. I was able to then capture some of the wonderful photographic magic wafting through the air that chilly afternoon. There is a 'Romantic' story behind that trip to the beach as well. I had just met my girlfriend Jane online and she had shared a love for the Lake and going there so in preperation for our First Date, I made a trip there to get an image specifically taken as a gift for her. Wrapped up a nice 8x10 in an elegant floating frame as a gift from 'Me' instead of flowers or chocolates. It was a risk, but paid off quite nicely. I got the 'Wow' I had hoped for. Now, as for why this lens is 'on the shelf' now. If I HAD shot it with a Summi, the image would have been a whack load easier to shepard through to the final image it became. Converting the Raw file was hard, getting the sharpness I like was hard, and it was holy hell hard sorting my curves and levels to where I was happy with them. My active choice of shooting with an R 50mm is from actively experiencing how much less time it takes in the Digital Darkroom to produce the images I like making and it makes it easier to have the images which my craft is capable of giving me. I will Respect any photographer's active choices regarding camera and equipment. Choosing to use a Zeiss Pancolar is a perfectly reasonable decision to make. Conversely I offer little respect to a Photographer who's equipment choices are based on asking the clerk which one is the best or because some wag says a particular NikCanLeicOlyPanSony is the king of the optical bencch Richard ________________________________ Be Nice To Your Children! They Will Be Choosing Your Nursing Home :-) ________________________________ ________________________________ From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:06:34 PM Subject: [LRflex] Re: Good Photographers -&- Bad Lenses #3, Shadow and Ice, is way cool. I don't think having a Summicron would help you compose any better or use just the right exposure any better to improve on this shot. Maybe if you were after a 16x20 it might have paid off, but if you had waited until you had your Summicron, you would not have been there at that time to get such a great shot. Aram -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:49 AM To: <LeicaReflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [LRflex] Good Photographers -&- Bad Lenses > Ol'a Group, > I was reading & rereading some of the equipment reviews over on > "Luminous Landscape" - a wonderful collection of souls who do what they do > and write what they write quite well, well worth a look. A line I read > there just keeps coming back to me again and again. IIRC It was part of a > review of the Sony A900 Full Frame dSLR and in regard to it's imaging > quality versus the other full framer cameras it's up against. He wrote: > "Ultimately, we're all just arguing over the price of Champagne in the > Promised Land. They're all great." > > Along this line of thinking, let me present a couple of images from a > lens I've grown to despise. It's an M42 mount Zeiss Pancolar 50mm f1.8 and > it's been cast aside to serve as my 'lens lecture' prop. :-) I found these > a few days ago I was adding images to flickr and I found some very nice > ones I've taken with my 'despicable' Pancolar. Really made me think about > my switch to the Summicron Fifty having been done for specific gains and > specific benefits over what the Pancolar fifty was giving me. It was NOT > because the zeiss was giving nothing of value. > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/4357969832_c452330ea5.jpg > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4357221843_1ebd7c95ce_b.jpg > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/4357219797_25ff0246e8_b.jpg > http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4357964956_7a5277e8cd_b.jpg > > These all gave me GORGEOUS 8x10's. > As long as my craft is as sound as it is in these images, shooting them > with a Summi Fifty would be better, but it won't make these worse. > > Anyway > > Peace everyone > > Richard > > > > ________________________________ > > > Be Nice To Your Children! > They Will Be Choosing > Your Nursing Home :-) > ________________________________ > > > > > > ------ > Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: > http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ > Archives are at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/ > ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/ ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/