40 years ago - I often shot with a friend's M3 and a 90mm Elmar lens. The viewfinder was not great but the lens in low light was wunderbar for gymnastics pix. We were high school newspaper shooting partners and printed a lot in the darkroom. In between those years - I had looked at the CL and Minolta CLE - which seemed to have a lesser vf than the CL but sharp lenses. Boston photog and teacher - Lou Jones - had touted the CLE system for Minolta 30 years ago - THEN but now shoots Leica rf and I think Canon digi-slr. I had a Nikon S for 15 years but parts for it were hard to find and it developed holes in the shutter curtain. Sold it to a guy in DC who spent about $400 restoring it. Better albeit tiny vf than the M3. In 2001 - I started buying Voigtlander rf bodies - the R (used) and eventually by dumb luck - 2 L bodies. The 25mm Skopar is my favorite lens but the 15 Super-Wide-Heliar can be trying. Too easy to distort angles but a nice bokeh. Several rf Leica folks have coveted that lens. Voigtlander camera bodies so-so - glass`another story. The L's became my tools for street photography because their small size. My Leica R-E and the 21mm Angulon were bought in 2006.and because of the reflex viewing - it is now my street combo. I have run into several M8 shooters locally - who said they were awaiting the M8.2 and M9. None had been rf film shooters. Complaints about the viewing screen and minor stuff. YES - if I had the money - a M9 would be my next choice in digi. Some of the "masters" of the NatGeo like` Bill Allard shoot with one - but he could make stellar images with a Pocket Instamatic. I think for us older - more vision-challenged shooters - the R system is still the way to go. Can't imagine a Telyt's power against the maximum telephoto M rf lens that one could buy! ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/