[LRflex] Re: Color differences - Let the Excuses begin!
- From: Philippe Amard <phamard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:17:28 +0100
Hi David,
Well, if this isn't honesty!
Don't you worry David, we all like yours shots very much I'm sure.
And no one is going to blame you on this either.
However, if anyone was to carry out such an experiment, one technical
issue also worth considering is the lenses one uses; some might give
warmer tones (as my Angenieux's certainly do) than others: that would
make sense too, wouldn't it?
Now the issue of colour rendition is after all a matter of personal
taste, so every Leica addict should be pleased with this variety - more
tools for more varied and effective results in different conditions.
Isn't this what we are all looking for?.
And to finish with, as Ted stated, both are fine.
I wish I had taken at least one of them.
Which one?
I don't know and couldn't tell.
Yours
Phileicangemix.
David Young wrote:
>Aram exclaimed:
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>>Aram Langhans offered reaction to::
>>Subject: [LRflex] Color renditions between M8 and DMR
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>>>WOW, David. That is a huge difference in color rendition.
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>And then Ted, Sonny and Thomas all chimed in:
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>So guys, before we all get our toga's tied in knots, these comparison
>shots should not be taken as gospel, for several reasons...
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>Please allow me to explain.
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>[1] The shots were both taken in close time proximity to one
>another... perhaps 2 minutes apart (despite what the EXIF data says),
>I did not change the internal clock on the M8, so I have no idea who
>set it, or how accurately. Heck, I hadn't checked the time on the
>DMR for months... do they drift? No matter... don't believe the EXIF
>time stamps!
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>[2] Both were taken on a tripod which didn't move. The 10 degree of
>angle difference would be from a couple of things... one would be my
>inaccuracy when moving the QR plate from DMR to M8 and back. Another
>would be the slight difference in angle of view from the 75mm on the
>M8 and the 90mm on the R8_DMR. Don't place much store in this!
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>[3[ irrespective of the time stamps, the photos were shot late
>afternoon. In the few minutes between shots, the light would be
>getting warmer. Sorry, cannot remember which one was taken first!
>
>[4] Sonny mentioned that the colour space on both were
>'uncalibrated". The DMR was set to Adobe... can't remember what the
>M8 was set to. I didn't fiddle with that, when I got the camera. If
>the DMR had shifted to "uncalibrated" (not an option on the menus)
>either Sonny's software is not reading it right, or it is an early
>indication of the failure described in #6.
>
>[5] Leica cautioned us about publishing any photos from the M8, as
>the firmware was early... Version 0.23! Also, I note that the
>firmware on the DMR is shown in the exif data as being
>v1.1. Curious, as I'd uploaded v1.2 and earlier shots show it as
>v1.2. Again, could this be an early sign of the impending failure,
>described next?
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>[6] The M8 shot was remarkably well exposed or so it seemed. The DMR
>shot *should* have been well exposed, but, in fact, was horribly
>overexposed. In the last week before I departed for Photokina & the
>LHSA convention, I had a few shots this way. The problem became
>exacerbated in Europe, until on day, in Germany, the camera failed
>altogether, producing 1/4 second exposures at all ISO's, all f-stops
>and all lighting conditions! Thus, I had to compensate mightily to
>get an exposure which matched the M8's... at least to my eye
>(calibrated screen). Although I tried to fiddle with the colour as
>little as possible, some fiddling was necessary.
>
>It's true, I should have mentioned all of this when I posted the
>shots... however, I was in a rush (as is so often the case) and, to
>be honest, I'd forgotten. I simply grabbed two .jpgs and posted
>them. It was only after your comments that I went back to the
>original .dng files and looked. Sorry!
>
>Leica replaced my R8 and most of the DMR (the non-replaced bit still
>has some issues and we are talking about that), so I could shoot new
>comparisons... except that I no longer have the M8!
>
>In my experience, even when things were looking good, the DMR had a
>different colour balance from the M8. The M8 I used in Wetzlar
>(firmware v1.04) was different again... and, I suspect, more
>accurate. The released firmware (1.06) should be better still.
>
>Look at the shots for what they are. But don't take them as
>empirical evidence of anything. I think the M8 has a slightly warmer
>outlook on the world than the DMR. But, as Ted pointed out, if they
>are not side by side, both are very acceptable... much like the same
>shot taken with two different films. And, I think I prefer the look of the M8!
>
>If I have caused anybody any stress over all of this, please accept
>my apologies. It was not intended.
>
>Cheers!
>
>David.
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