Hi David, I agree with you as in your explanation. Cloning out the post is completely meaningless in relation to doing something in changing the image of the "HEAD" as I said before. However, in any event I'm closer to you in "PHOTOSHOP ABILITIES" and tend to just delete the image or look for a cropping that still keeps the impact of the photo captured. George is quite correct regarding "cloning" and changing the meaning? Certainly in a NEWS PHOTO! Or in selling products. Minor artsy fartsy things in a so called "art photo?" I'd bet that's done far more than any of us truly realize! cheers, ted -----Original Message----- From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young Sent: August-04-14 7:52 AM To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [LRflex] Re: Backache (revisited) G'Mornin' Ted & George: If I may enter your discussion as to whether to admit or not... If the cloning were minor, and I were selling the image as "art", I'd probably not mention it. (Were it major - such as Ted's example of cloning a new head on a cowboy - I simply would not do it, ever. Of course, this moral high ground is helped by the fact that I do not have the skills to do such a thing!) If the photo had "news" value, then I agree with George, it would have be mentioned. With rare exceptions, I like to keep any digital manipulation to the level that I could accomplish in a wet darkroom. Contrast, exposure, dodging & burning, cropping, saturation adjustments, etc. For me, cloning out the OOF post is quite a departure from my norm. I've mentioned it here, for very different reasons. As of today, we have 305 members on this list. Of these, perhaps 15 post regularly and another 15 post occasionally. This leaves 275 who never post. Yet many, if not most, have been list members for years. (Our rate of "churn" is very low.) These "lurkers" obviously hope to learn by viewing the images and reading the comments of others. I believe that being open about what we do, and when, helps them learn. Just my 2 cents worth.... -- David "Otheries" are the new "Selfies". --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/ ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/