DEAR JIM ET AL, I am jumping in late here but I hope you might find my 2 cents worth while. I agree completely that there is so much more sense of volume, texture, space, etc. when shooting from the "shadow side". But there are shadows and there are shadows...very much a matter of degree. Sometimes we want deep black shadows and other times we might want a little more subtlety or even just a touch of detail deep down in the shadows. The best way to accomplish this is with a reflector of varying diffuseness and reflectivity depending on what you want. If used properly a reflector does not give the sense of another light source...it just very subtly opens up the shadows to give as much or as little detail as you want, remembering that neither film nor digital capture systems have the dynamic range of the human visual system. "To fill or not to fill" will always depend on what the photographer wants in the final image. I am only suggesting that a fill reflector of the correct type, used properly, can give the photographer incredibly subtle control over the shadows without looking like another source. CHEERS! BOB -----Original Message----- From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Brick Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:17 PM To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Why not...SHADOW SIDE LIGHT! At 05:03 PM 11/11/2007 -0500, Douglas Herr wrote: >There are several nature/wildlife photography websites where >critques of a photo made from the shadow side invariably include a >suggestion to add some fill flash to get rid of the shadows. I COULD SCREAM!!! I hear you. The problem with fill ANYTHING, is that it looks like a fill light. It is impossible to fool mother nature and 'real' photographers. Using a fill light is like using a pinhole camera... take pictures using a pinhole camera and what do you get - photographs that look like they were taken with a pinhole camera. Use a fill light, or reflector, or anything and the photograph will look like you used a fill light, or reflector, or anything! A zoologist, botanist, or biologist will want a fill light because they are interested in only the plant/animal, and not the photography. So let them take their own pictures! IMHO, Jim ========================================================= To Unsubscribe: Send email to leica-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. The acknowledgment that you then receive MUST be replied to per instructions. You may also log in to the Web interface to unsubscribe. __________ NOD32 2653 (20071112) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========================================================= To Unsubscribe: Send email to leica-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. The acknowledgment that you then receive MUST be replied to per instructions. You may also log in to the Web interface to unsubscribe.