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(And of course all of you already drive EVs!!! 😎)
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 8:45:50 PM
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Subject: [knoxev] Re: Ford F-150 Lightning first drive: This is BIG - Electrek
Converting a vehicle from ICE to EV reduces the energy consumption of the
vehicle by about. two thirds. That in itself is a huge advantage. Also, as
with cars, companies that stress aerodynamics and weight reduction will lead
the way in electric truck sales. They will provide more performance, range and
charging speed at a lower cost. You have to start somewhere, and 'converting a
Ford F 150' to electric is a beginning. It has certainly raised the interest of
the general public. I suspect that the EV pickup of the future that can sell
at a profit will be sleeker. Right now, there really aren't enough batteries
available for lots of pickups. When the many new battery factories come on
line and ramp up, we might start seeing a number of affordable pickups come
available.
Opinionatedly,
Mark Bishop
See lots of you'all tomorrow at the EV meeting!
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 8:01 PM Jack Goodwin
<rjgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rjgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, and I agree with much of what has been said.
So, here it is, the elephant that follows the remark I just made. Set aside
all thoughts of fleet and commercial needs for a moment. I have no doubt that
a very significant part of the retail market benefits from the utility of
pickup trucks and SUVs. As a homeowner, there are lots of times I can’t carry
things I need (e.g., plywood) in my Model 3, so I have to beg or borrow a
pickup truck. But for my daily use, as Brady noted, I don’t need to push that
much mass down the highway.
For decades, the legacy manufacturers have been logically pursuing the path of
highest profits. And that path led directly to mass marketing of SUVs and
pickup trucks. So on my little street of 12 homes, there are 6 pickup trucks
and several SUVs. Trucks and SUVs that are used as daily drivers. Adoption of
smaller, lighter, more energy efficient vehicles will be a major challenge when
profit is driven by sales of larger ones. Corporate America has the resources
and the intent to remain profitable.
So, for the near term at least, we have to applaud the introduction of large,
heavy, electric pickup trucks and SUVs. They are far better than large, heavy,
petroleum powered monsters. ICE vehicles will slowly disappear from the market
as EVs continue to prove their economical advantage. We can gain more ground
in transition to EVs overall right now while still promoting the need for
better transportation solutions.
Jack
On May 13, 2022, at 6:53 PM, Chet Hunt
<chunt51@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:chunt51@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Not only over consumption, but disposable consumption. Our linear economic
culture has to change. We must move toward a circular economy for the long
term, but right now we must encourage conversion to EVs, and how we make them
affordable for the average American. Many people can already afford an EV but
simply resist changing. We must become the change we wish to see, i.e. walk
the talk. Otherwise, how can we tell others to do it?
Chet
On May 13, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Brady Watson
<brady@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:brady@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
All good points, Jonathan. I think mainly it's an education issue, and I would
like the industry to just not produce as many large vehicles, but that's what
Americans want, even if most don't need them...
Of course some need them, and so we do need a supply, but if auto manufacturers
would produce fewer big vehicles, maybe Americans would buy fewer of them...
Don't get me wrong, I love the F-150 and I've owned 2 myself, (and if I had the
money, I might consider the Lightning!) but it's the larger trend that I just
think we should be mindful of. And of course would be great if we could get
some meaningful investments in electric public transit to alleviate the need
for individual vehicles. I'm still waiting on the bullet train to Memphis ;)
And I agree with ya, Chet. But I think the root cause of many of our problems,
not just with energy/climate, is overconsumption. We simply buy and use too
much stuff. In the short term, getting folks to convert from gas to EVs is
great, and needed. I'm just trying to think long term. Appreciate the
conversation here!
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:07 PM Chet Hunt
<chunt51@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:chunt51@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I’m for more people simply driving EVs. The efficiency will come when markets
strengthen from people converting. Not providing a truck like the Lightening
will prevent truck lovers from converting. Not to mention the hauling industry
converting semis. The conversion must be holistic, i.e we transform the
transportation industry to electric while transforming the power generation and
grid system, and the charging infrastructure. Better battery technologies,
like radioactive diamond (which needs no electricity), sulfur, graphene, etc.
will improve the emerging EV industry. The next 5-10 years will see amazing
achievements in battery technologies that completely integrate with our homes,
vehicles( Including recreational) and other power needs. The main thing is to
get people to actually buy and drive EVs while working to eliminate fossil
fuels from generating the electricity.
Chet
On May 13, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Brady Watson
<brady@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:brady@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Do y'all see any issues with swapping out one massive energy consuming vehicle
for another? I completely understand the EV is a net positive with zero
emissions and we need to electrify transportation, but this continues our
uniquely American problem of massive inefficient vehicles (even if this one
doesn't happen to burn gas). We should be aiming for LESS energy use, not more,
as we electrify everything. These massive and heavy EVs will require more power
on the grid, and for most of the country, that's going to be mostly fossil
fueled, at least in the near term. What I'd like to see is more smaller,
efficient EVs rather than all these big heavy ones that still require a ton of
energy to operate. After all, the cleanest electron is the one you don't have
to generate at all...
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:52 PM Markus Iturriaga Woelfel
<markus.iturriaga@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:markus.iturriaga@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
You may also want to check out JerryRigEverything's video on the Lightning.
He's been converting a military Humvee to electric (great video series) and
currently drives a Rivian:
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On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:15 AM Jack Goodwin
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