David and the others who responded, I'm still here. Just a note to let you know I'm working on a project (previous email about tracking info) for a small company so I can get some experience. I will get back to setting up my new machine and networking it with the other one, but that issue is a bit less priority. Your help is certainly appreciated. Kurt http://www.myildportal.com ref #: 1827854, pass: guest ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > Kurt, The PCI Bridge is part of the chipset and will usually be provided by > the motherboard manufacturer on a series of disks and or a CD ROM. > > Networking two PC's together is a pain. Most use a hub or switch and it > makes things much easier. Use a fixed IP address and the same subnet mask. > It sounds like the problem may be with the mainboard if you are having these > many problems related to connections and the nic works in another machine. > at this point I would locate all the original insatll disks and rebuild from > the ground up and then try the network piece again. > > Get hardware working first, then get software working. If hardware is good, > then take Gordon Morrow's idea of an XP upgrade seriously. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:45 PM > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > David, I was talking to a rep at Linksys, trying to troubleshoot. He had me > remove the "PCI Bridge" in Device Manager, but we still couldn't get the > network going. However, now when I boot, the machine wants to install the > PCI Bridge. But, I don't know where the driver/file is located. I've tried > the tried the Win98 CD and the NIC install disk, but it's not found. Any > ideas? > > Thanks > Kurt > http://www.myildportal.com > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:50 AM > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > The devices are a problem if they do not work. > > PCI bus > > Linksys... > > PCI Bridge---This one conects the PCI Bus to the CPU. > > PCI Input Controller---Could be a mouse or graphics pad or some > > serial device > > PCI Mass Storage Controller---Either an onboard IDE > controller(like > > a Promise or HPT RAID controller or SCSI) > > PCI Multimedia audio device--Sound Card..This can wait > > > > > > >From the looks of it , you have unrecognized devices either built in on > the > > motherboard or you have not loaded controller drivers. I would install > the > > latest updates from the mainboard manufacturer. > > These not working can cause some probelms as the devices can't be > controlled > > and if assigned an IRQ ont he bus, they may have a conflict with a device > > with a driver. > > > > you may have to bring that Machine to Joe Mraz's Hardware helper SIG so > they > > can see if it connects and help you work out the problems, > > > > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:08 AM > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > David, I had a neighbor help me today with my configuration. He mentioned > > something that I'd like to run by you. In Device Manager, viewing by > > connection, it shows... > > > > PCI bus > > Linksys... > > PCI Bridge > > PCI Input Controller > > PCI Mass Storage Controller > > PCI Multimedia audio device > > > > (In case those carriage returns get messed when I send this email, the PCI > > bus has those five devices under it in the tree.) > > > > The question has to do with the yellow "?" "!" next to the last 4 devices > > (bridge, input controller, mass storage controller, and the multimedia > audio > > device). I realize the "?" and "!" indicate the device is not set up. He > > said this could possibly be related to my configuration problems...he > > emphasized POSSIBLY, not for sure. What's your take on it? > > > > If it is related, can I deactivate those problem devices in order to > > temporarily set up the network to transfer the driver from the other > machine > > (onto which I downloaded the driver) to machine in need? > > > > Kurt > > http://www.myildportal.com > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:25 AM > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > 1000-10FF is the address range for the card. Do you have both computers > > > hooked up and the test running? The IUO test won't work unless you have > > > both in test mode, so you can attampt to send and receive. I would > > > recommend yoiu get a book on Win98 it should cover networking the two > PC's > > > together. the best way is to have a 5 port hub or preferably a switch > as > > > you don't need a crossover cable. This can help to eliminate some > issues > > > you appear to have plus if a friend comes over with a laptop, you can > > > connect him into the network to share files. A small hub is under 70$ > and > > > usually much cheaper. > > > > > > david > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > > > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:02 PM > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, > > > > > > I ran the Linksys diag. disk on the problem computer and it shows... > > > > > > "IRQ255 PortA400 (this IRQ seems a bit odd)" > > > > > > "Configuration test Pass" > > > "I/O test (gets stuck here...computer just makes a continuous beep tone > > > until I turn it off)" > > > > > > Assuming the I/O radio button in 'view resources' is what this refers > to, > > I > > > see... > > > > > > "1000 - 10FF Linksys" > > > > > > in this list. > > > > > > What does this mean? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kurt > > > http://www.myildportal.com > > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:39 AM > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > That should be where you assign IRQ's to cards in those slots. For > the > > > > Netgear card, setting one of these might have worked. Usually PCI > cards > > > > self negotiate the IRQ level and resolve conflicts during the POST > > > process. > > > > David > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > > > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:41 PM > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, I thought the following information would be useful to help me > > > > configure my network... > > > > > > > > In BIOS there's the Advanced tab which has the PCI configuration > option. > > > On > > > > the PCI page there's > > > > Slot 1 [auto] > > > > Slot 2 [auto] > > > > Slot 3 [auto] > > > > Slot 4/5 [auto] > > > > > > > > Do these IRQs correspond to the ones in Device Manager? > > > > I have the NIC card in slot 2. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kurt > > > > http://www.myildportal.com > > > > ref #: 1827854, pass: guest > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:46 AM > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > sounds like the Netgear NICs want to use a specific IRQ and it must > be > > > > > dedicated to the slot. you will have to go into BIOS and try to set > a > > > > > specific slot. If the board isn't that old, you may be able to do > > this, > > > > > otherwise get another NIC like an Intel or 3Com, I have had good > luck > > > > with > > > > > Linksys and they are a bit cheaper than the intel and 3com NICs. We > > > have > > > > > had some problems with system config and Netgear cards where we > > couldn't > > > > get > > > > > them on the network and nothing we did worked. some folks have had > no > > > > > problems though, so it may be highly hardware dependent. It sounds > > like > > > > the > > > > > Netgear folks are giving you the right info. Each vendor has their > own > > > > > specific policy regarding sales. My guess is that HDNW can build > PCs > > > but > > > > > the techs are not knowledgable about networking and can't figure out > > how > > > > to > > > > > set up a NIC and check it out to make sure it works. Supporting > > > > networking > > > > > is not easy as so many different things can cause problems as you > are > > > now > > > > > discovering. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:00 AM > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, I got a reply email from Netgear in which he says to "check > > with > > > a > > > > > hardware vendor to assign a free IRQ of either 9, 10, or 11 to the > PCI > > > > slot > > > > > where the NIC is being installed." I got the cards from Hard Drives > > NW, > > > > > but they said that they don't support networking. I emailed a reply > > to > > > > > Netgear tonight about this, but I wanted to ask you about it also. > It > > > > seems > > > > > a bit odd to not support something that you sell, but I bought all > my > > > > > components for the computer from there because of the 1 year > warranty. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, do these IRQ settings sound right? Also, are the IRQs in > > Device > > > > > Manager the same as those in BIOS? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:53 AM > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a good indicator of machine problems. when yoiu move the > > "bad > > > > > card" > > > > > > to another machine and it behaves normally and the "good card" > > becomes > > > > bad > > > > > > in the other machine is a very good indicator of card chassis > > > > > > incompatability. I would check the BIOS on the suspect machine to > > see > > > > if > > > > > it > > > > > > has any network settings that may conflict or that it is > restricting > > > or > > > > > > locking down the IRQ's on the PCI slots for legacy hardware. You > > may > > > > have > > > > > > to get another brand of NIC to try and see if that is an issue. > > > Without > > > > > > benching the two together and seeing how they react, it cold be a > > > > > > combination of hardware and software in settings for both. Tough > to > > > > tell, > > > > > > you now know that both cards are good, now you need to investigate > > why > > > > the > > > > > > one PC works with a NIC and the other one doesn't. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:08 PM > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, if I can switch NIC cards between computers and the > > diagnostics > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > machine A remains ok (displays card stats), while on machine B the > > > > > > diagnostics still displays an error, doesn't that mean that > there's > > > > > > something wrong with machine B itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > On the problem computer I did move the card to another PCI slot > and > > > > still > > > > > > got a diagnostic error. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:42 PM > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > > > I would move the card to another PCI slot and if you get the > same > > > > error > > > > > on > > > > > > > the diagnostics, then the card has problems. The other thing to > > > check > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > see if both cards are set to full duplex. Are both cards the > same > > > > brand > > > > > > and > > > > > > > are they both 10/100? you may have a bad PCI slot or there is a > > PCI > > > > > > > conflict. You may want to make sure in bios that you have not > > > > reserved > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the pci slots to ISA just in case. If the diagnostic utility > can't > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > NIC then you ought to try another card altogether. You can get > > > NIC's > > > > > for > > > > > > > aroung $20 so that shouln't kill the finances. If the card is > > new, > > > > then > > > > > > get > > > > > > > a replacement at the store where you bought it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt > Mincin > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:34 AM > > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, I tried the diagnostic/driver diskette on both machines. > > The > > > > > > machine > > > > > > > that displays "response timed out" from pinging also gets a > > > diagnostic > > > > > > error > > > > > > > that the network adapter is not found. The machine that > displays > > a > > > > > reply > > > > > > > from pinging also lists the stats of the adapter, which I assume > > > means > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > ok. On the problem machine with diagnostic error it says to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) check that there's a card installed > > > > > > > 2) check that the PCI configuration in BIOS is set, otherwise... > > > > > > > 3) switch adapter cards to see if the machine is the problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still get the diagnostic error. I'm not sure what to do next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Kurt > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:17 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > > > > If you get a response from one side, the cable and network > cards > > > are > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > You should be able to get another from the other side. What > are > > > > your > > > > > IP > > > > > > > > addresses and subnet masks you are using for each computer? > Are > > > you > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > Fixed IP addresses or is the address being automatically given > > to > > > > one > > > > > or > > > > > > > > both computers? Have you enabled internet connection sharing? > > > If > > > > > you > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > a complete response with the address and got a time (ie 10ms) > > for > > > > the > > > > > > ping > > > > > > > > with a 100% packet success rate, you should have a good > > connection > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > addresses are on the same subnet. I would run the diagnosic > > > program > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > came with the network card on the computer that keeps getting > a > > > > > response > > > > > > > > timed out, may have an issue. but the one that is getting the > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > ping may not be responding to a ping and therefore may be the > > > > problem > > > > > > NIC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt > > Mincin > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:22 PM > > > > > > > > To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David, thanks. I enabled file and print sharing and it got me > a > > > bit > > > > > > > > further, but still not there. Each computer's Network > > > Neighborhood > > > > > now > > > > > > > > shows 'entire network' (as before) and the computer itself > > (which > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > before), but still not the other computer. When pinging, one > > > > computer > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > a reply, the other gets 'response timed out'. I might add > that > > > it's > > > > > the > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > computer displaying 'response timed out'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The WOWN site says that it's most likely a hardware issue, but > > > both > > > > > > > network > > > > > > > > cards are working according to device manager in the system > > > > > properties. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > don't know how to test the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that's clear > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "David M. Dodge" <daviddodge1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:25 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] Re: configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > > > > > Do you have File and print sharing enabled on both > computers, > > if > > > > > not, > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > youy won't see anything as the netbios stack won't be > loaded, > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you need to see the other system. > > > > > > > > > David Dodge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > [mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kurt > > > Mincin > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:20 PM > > > > > > > > > To: KEGS (Windows) SIG > > > > > > > > > Subject: [kegswindows] configuring network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. I've two computers, both with WIN98, Netgear Network > > > > Interface > > > > > > Card > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > each, a 25' CAT5 Crossover cable. When I double-click on > the > > > > > Network > > > > > > > > > Neighborhood, then Entire Network, I get "unable to browse > > > > network". > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > called Netgear and they gave me some websites for reference. > > I > > > > used > > > > > > > > > www.wown.com to configure the tcp/ip > netgear protocol and > > the > > > IP > > > > > > > address > > > > > > > > > that the site recommends. They suggest testing the > connection > > > > using > > > > > > > PING. > > > > > > > > > From one system I got "request timed out". From the other > > > system > > > > I > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable". For the "unreachable" error > > the > > > > > site > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > to check the gateway address because the other system is not > > on > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > subnet. I tried the gateway address given on the site and > got > > > the > > > > > > > > > "destination host unreachable" error again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone help me to get these computers talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Kurt Mincin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >