[kegswindows] Re: Certification classes

  • From: "Stephen Cox (MSN)" <steveco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:30:53 -0700

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You didn't say anything about what your goals are. Why do you want to
take the exams?=20


Are you looking to gain more knowledge & skills to increase your
abilities to perform the work you're currently doing? If this is the
case I wouldn't waste my time with any of the Microsoft exams. The
purpose of the exams are to document/certify your technical abilities.
The MCSE courses will help prepare you for the exam but they really
aren't the best way to increase your skills.


Or are you trying to find a more permanent, hopefully lucrative,
position in an Operations dept? If so having the MCSE credentials will
help open doors for that might otherwise be closed but ultimately you'll
still need the right skills to get the good jobs.=20


Instead of focusing on getting certified I'd recommend getting as much
technical training & experience as possible. Volunteering at your church
and supporting your families & friends PCs is a good start. I'd also
recommend checking out the technical training available at Lake
Washington Technical College (http://www.lwtc.ctc.edu
<http://www.lwtc.ctc.edu/> ). They have excellent extended education
courses and one-year certificate & two-year associate degree programs.
(This might seem like a step back for someone with a CS degree but it'll
bring you up to speed on the latest & greatest in technology since you
were last in the biz.)


Oh, and I do concur with just about everything David said, especially
the suggestion to get the Transcender practice exams when you're ready
to take the tests!


With a little training and experience you shouldn't have any trouble
passing the MCP & MCSE/SA exams at all!



Good Luck!





stephen l cox  <http://join.msn.com/>=20

MCSE, MOUS, A+,=20

Operations Administrator
MSN Subscriptions Services


-----Original Message-----
From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Dodge
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:44 AM
To: kegswindows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [kegswindows] Re: Certification classes



Most of Microsoft's certifications are focused at professionals that do

network and server support on a daily basis.  If you have not touched

Windows 2000 server and are reasonably familiar with it, what you

suggest is very difficult(and relatively expensive).  The server test

alone is a 2 hour test.  The other tests range from 50 minutes to 90

minutes and are also comparatively brutal. =20


If you want to get your feet wet and get a sample of how Microsoft tests

are, I suggest you take the Windows 2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro training

classes and try taking the test.  This will get you an MCP (Microsoft

Certified Professional).  This will be more useful to those you are

helping now doing desktop support, will be less expensive and will give

you an idea if you want to proceed further. The tests are not free

either, at $125 for each attempt, it gets pricey for failing tests.  You

might want to also get the Transcender practice test for the class you

are taking as well.  These are very good practice tests.  They are

designed to overtrain you, so don't expect to pass these.  If you score

in the mid 700-800 range, you can usually pass the MS test. =20


An MCSE or MCSA certification is not easy to get, but unless you have a

critical job need to be certified, or have a lot of time and money to do

the cert track, then I don't recommend you undertake the entire track.

If you focus on desktop support, then the Desktop OS MCP may be more

useful in the long term. =20


//David Dodge//

MCSE-NT4, MCSE-2000, HP ASE ProLiant/Windows, and HP Master ASE-SAN

Architect =20


-----Original Message-----

From: kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:kegswindows-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kurt Mincin

Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:17 AM


Subject: [kegswindows] Certification classes



I want to take the MCSA classes at Bellevue CC but am wondering how I

can know that I'm ready?  Am I right that the courses are meant for

those who are or recently were in the IT industry? =20


Though I haven't been in the computer industry recently, I have a

computer science degree and 3 years experience in technical support and

programming.  A little over a year ago I built the computer I'm

currently using (and networked it with my old Win 98 computer).  In the

past 12-18 months I've replaced a CD drive, reformatted the disk and

reinstalled Win 98 on family members' computers.


I'm also volunteering at my church, which uses Windows 2000, by working

with the person who handles the IT needs.


I feel that I can handle it, but I think it's smart to get counsel from

those who have done it.







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