Good to hear of the increased UK controller numbers. I guess us wot fly
need to make sure we give you all something to do, so we need to keep an
eye on Servinfo.
My system seems to be fairly stable just now. It can't be a coincidence, though, that the few FS9 lockups I do get are exclusively when I'm on FPI. no idea why.
I jumped in to Mike's test session, later on, last night. We could see each other, and in the Flightplan designated aircraft. One other oddity was apparent last night, though it often seems to crop up. When Mike was in the bells and whistles B747, it appeared with undercart raised. When he switched to a Default FPI B 747 the undercart was realistically down.
Gerry Winskill gwinsk@xxxxxxx
I must add that I now have my own problems sorted.
I haven't used ATOC for a long time so it was no surprise when I logged in last night to help Phil that I encountered some problems. I was surprised how long FS froze after hitting the Server button and then, when it finally jumped back into life, I could see no aircraft. Denis and Phil appeared on the TCAS OK - and they both appeared as yellow dots in the airfield diagram - but visually there wasn't a sausage.
I had a tinker with a few settings but eventually found the solution when I checked the firewall logs. For some reason it had started blocking port 15201. I reset the firewall to clear all FS9 rules and then tried again. This time it worked and I watched an FPI 747 depart from Gatwick. I followed it at a safe distance up to 4000ft and then disengaged to the north - my apologies to the VBA pilot if he got worried.
The only small problem left is that FS9 locks when I turn off the Server button but I can live with that. It may be something to do with the MS test software I have installed.
-----Original Message----- From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill Sent: 27 August 2005 12:31 To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Why is FPI/ATOC so bad?
Mike, For what it's worth, I've also tried "booking" my long hauls, ahead. No ATC. To be fair, I only booked on one occasion. I guess I should make that a matter of routine, to see if it improves.
Gerry Winskill gwinsk@xxxxxxx
Mike Brook wrote:
Thanks guys, I've calmed down this morning and your sensible and reasoned replies are appreciated. I had spent a long time preparing for my long haul last night and was SOOOO disappointed when ATOC let me down, my post was indicative of my level of frustration <g>. I've no intention of trying VATSIM, or IVAO for that matter, and will stick with FPI in the hope that it gets sorted in the near future...
-----Original Message----- From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:17 AM To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Why is FPI/ATOC so bad?
Hi Mike, Not sitting on the fence, too painful by far, but I find myself agreeing with you, whilst coming to the same conclusion as Bones.
I've done a few long haul flights recently and on only two has there been ATC at the destination. One was the "please dismantle your aircraft and b....r off" place. The other didn't really count as, seeing John Hill on seat, I made my Capetown to UK flight take me to Heathrow. Even then we had, as seems to be the norm at present, problems with voice comms. Clicking on John's ATOC strip got me nowhere and the Servinfo frequency was also different from the one he was using. In most countries outside Europe it would appear there are few FPI controller members.
Again like you, I've flicked through the two competitor lists and found them to be full of both controllers and traffic.
Taking a step back, for the reasons John mentions, I'm reluctant to go to VATSIM. I don't know much about IVAO. The relaxed approach of FPI suits me, so I guess that if I choose to stay with it I'll be stuck with its limitations. The limitations are the narrow geographical area where it offers actual, as opposed to notional, ATC coverage, plus the increasingly tetchy nature of its server setup. I guess they are stuck with the former but really should get a grip of the latter. That is far more important than the company speak and pseudo marketing that seems to be increasingly evident. The simple fact is that FPI and the pilot end are not really interdependent. No flyers an no FPI. No FPI and the flyers can either look at the competition or fly off line, with FS ATC and AI for company.
At the moment my own intention is to stay with FPI. I enjoy the Wednesday sessions, when not distracted by bikes or football. I'll also start more flying to continental European destinations, though even that isn't easy. My guess is that the bulk of the controllers are younger than the pilots and still having to work for a living. I often switch on Servinfo, during the day, to find a healthy number of aircrafy in European zones, with not a controller to be seen.
For long haul flights I've tended to file a flight plan, which is also lodged with FS9. If there's no FPI cover I take off in FS9's ATC environment but as VFR. That allows me to depart from a field with other traffic in sight, receive taxi instructions, etc; provided the weather isn't IFR but avoided FS9's often illogical IFR departure routing. Once clear of land I switch to FPI and keep an eye on Servinfo. If there's no sign of life around my destination, with a couple of hundred miles to go, I get out of FPI and MP and ask FS9 for IFR clearance. That gets me back into the land of the pseudo living.
I do hope that the people who run FPI can extract a digit but, since I'm using it for free and doing nothing to help them, I guess I'll have to make the best of what they offer.
Gerry Winskill gwinsk@xxxxxxx
You seem to have had more of a rough time than most of us
recently. I admit
I only tend to plug in once a week but that is usually for a
solid 3.5 to 4
hours. I've had one or two hiccups but nothing so bad as to raise the frustration levels too much. Yep - I did have one night a
few weeks back
when I was being kicked off every hour or so but it hasn't
been a recurring
If you are thinking of trying VATSIM then you will indeed
have a lot more
traffic and controllers to contend with - but the level of
also much higher too. VATSIM stick to real world procedures
so you really
have to know the airfield layouts, the SID's and STAR's
(current ones too)
and have good cockpit management skills. Having said that it
is a challenge
that some may relish as you know you will be mixing it with
a lot of real
world airline pilots.
There is no doubt that some of you will outgrow FPI. It
hasn't evolved as
much as your own skills - a pity as I had hoped it would
have grown a lot
more since we first started using it - and I am sure this lack of development will make some feel they are missing out on
Before jumping in the deep end with VATSIM though I'd
your experience outside the UK. If European controllers are
online in FPI
then get some useful foreign experience under your belt. I
know it can be
reassuring to speak to a familiar team in the UK but it's
best to build up
experience. Europe in FPI (or even further) is a small step
jumping in the deep end which is VATSIM.
-----Original Message----- From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Brook Sent: 27 August 2005 00:58 To: JHB Airlines Subject: [jhb_airlines] Why is FPI/ATOC so bad?
I am rapidly reaching the point of abandoning FPI/ATOC due
to its frequent
unavailability and failures. At about 1130 local this
evening I was chucked
out of their servers with the following error message:
"Debug Assertion Failed! Program: C:\program files\FlightProject\ATOC.exe File: dumpout.cpp Line: 52 For information on how your program can cause an assertion
failure, see the
Visual C++ documentation on asserts. (Press Retry to debug
What the **** was that all about???
I had spent a long time manually setting up my PMDG 747-400
FMC for an
overnighter tonight from EGLL to WSSS when FPI/ATOC went
t*ts up. What is
the name of all that is holy is going on with this service?
Has anyone any
info that could help restore my confidence? Whilst I have
never used VATSIM
or IVAO, it really does frustrate me to see all the
available 24/7 on their servers whilst there are maybe have
a dozen or so
folks worldwide on FPI or, more likely, the service is
completely down or
otherwise unavailable in one way or another.
Am I alone...?