[jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:41:02 +0100

Let me know when you've had a look at them and I'll start describing the
procedures. Give the ILS/DME 26 chart a little more attention as that will
be the first I'll deal with.

bones

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 04 September 2007 21:52
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.


I'll opt to learn Ronaldsway. Not because it's here but because I have
the AIPs and workable FSX scenery.
Printing out the charts now.

Gerry Winskill

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>> Good man.
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>> Holding patterns and IAP's vary with every airfield. For practise
>> purposes
>> it would be best for each pilot to choose a set of procedures for an
>> airfield of their choice and learn these and fly them constantly.
>> That way
>> you get to accumulate knowledge rather than have to learn a whole new
>> procedure from scratch each time - which tends to stop you learning the
>> basics.
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>> Many airfields have IAP's. Some may just be ILS, some just an
>> NDB/DME. Ronaldsway is lucky because we have VOR, NDB, ILS and SRA
>> procedures, all slightly unusual so a tad tricky to learn.
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>> The first step for everyone is to pick the airfield they want to
>> learn at
>> and grab the IAP's from AIS. Print the charts out and study them
>> carefully.
>> Once you think you know how they work then we begin the process of
>> descri=bing them and my guidance for flying them.
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>> I will probably have talk through the processes with each pilot
>> separately
>> via email as each of you have differing absorbsion rates and may be
>> working
>> on different procedures.
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>> As a general rule I suggest you start with an ILS procedure because
>> you already know the final part of this from online flying. In this
>> case the new bit is the approach to the airfield and your positioning
>> round for the ILS
>> under your own navigation rather than have radar vectoring you round.
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>> Once an ILS is mastered the next step would be to look at a VOR
>> letdown -
>> slightly tougher to do and finally an NDB letdown - the trickiest of the
>> lot. You would also need to fly the initial procedures without wind
>> so you
>> understand the way they work. Once wind is added it requires a lot
>> more work
>> in assessing drift - frustrating at times but very rewarding when you
>> get it
>> right.
>>
>> bones
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry
>> Winskill
>> Sent: 04 September 2007 18:45
>> To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.
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>> I'm on.
>>
>> Gerry Winskill
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>> bones wrote:
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>>> One thing we rarely did in PCI was stick and aircraft in the hold or
>>> clear an aircraft for a procedural approach. A procedural approach
>>> is one where the radar has failed (or the airfield doesn't have
>>> radar) and the approach is flown from the published IAP plate.
>>>
>>> Some of you may have looked at these plates before and may be
>>> curious about them. I am currently describing these to Mike Lucas so
>>> that he can attempt these procedures but I'd like to know if other
>>> pilots are interested in going up a level in flying skills.
>>>
>>> The basic skills required are in flying holding patterns and in
>>> flying the IAP. For holds the knowledge required is;
>>>
>>> a) Learning the hold entry procedures to establish correctly onto
>>> the holding axis,
>>>
>>> b) flying a four or six minute hold to ensure the inbound track is
>>> correctly achieved and the timing is correct,
>>>
>>> c) learning how to adjust the hold for wind.
>>>
>>> The IAP training would involve;
>>>
>>> a) a knowledge of the published IAP diagrams and annotations,
>>>
>>> b) Correct interpretation of the flight profile - courses and
>>> descent points,
>>>
>>> c) Knowledge of DH/MDH and MAP and Approach Minima procedures.
>>>
>>> These are procedures that can be extremely satisfying to fly but it
>>> requires good flying skills, a stopwatch, loads of enthusiasm and a
>>> fair bit of time. The procedures take some time to learn and
>>> reasonable skills to complete - not everyone has the mental agility
>>> to comprehend them.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to join in with Mike I will be happy to provide
>>> assistance. I can't teach you how to fly these procedures but I can
>>> describe them to you and watch you on IVAO to explain corrective
>>> action.
>>>
>>> I won't create a tutorial on this subject as there are bound to be
>>> plenty already on the Internet. What I will do is dig out some sites
>>> where the data is lucid and has plenty of diagrams and I can then
>>> field your questions as you go through the material.
>>>
>>> bones
>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>> http://fsaviation.net
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