[jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

  • From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:51:42 +0100

I'll opt to learn Ronaldsway. Not because it's here but because I have the AIPs and workable FSX scenery.

Printing out the charts now.

Gerry Winskill

Good man.

Holding patterns and IAP's vary with every airfield. For practise purposes
it would be best for each pilot to choose a set of procedures for an
airfield of their choice and learn these and fly them constantly. That way
you get to accumulate knowledge rather than have to learn a whole new
procedure from scratch each time - which tends to stop you learning the

Many airfields have IAP's. Some may just be ILS, some just an NDB/DME.
Ronaldsway is lucky because we have VOR, NDB, ILS and SRA procedures, all
slightly unusual so a tad tricky to learn.

The first step for everyone is to pick the airfield they want to learn at and grab the IAP's from AIS. Print the charts out and study them carefully.
Once you think you know how they work then we begin the process of
descri=bing them and my guidance for flying them.

I will probably have talk through the processes with each pilot separately via email as each of you have differing absorbsion rates and may be working
on different procedures.

As a general rule I suggest you start with an ILS procedure because you
already know the final part of this from online flying. In this case the new bit is the approach to the airfield and your positioning round for the ILS
under your own navigation rather than have radar vectoring you round.

Once an ILS is mastered the next step would be to look at a VOR letdown -
slightly tougher to do and finally an NDB letdown - the trickiest of the
lot. You would also need to fly the initial procedures without wind so you understand the way they work. Once wind is added it requires a lot more work in assessing drift - frustrating at times but very rewarding when you get it


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I'm on.

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

One thing we rarely did in PCI was stick and aircraft in the hold or
clear an aircraft for a procedural approach. A procedural approach is
one where the radar has failed (or the airfield doesn't have radar) and
the approach is flown from the published IAP plate.

Some of you may have looked at these plates before and may be curious
about them. I am currently describing these to Mike Lucas so that he
can attempt these procedures but I'd like to know if other pilots are
interested in going up a level in flying skills.

The basic skills required are in flying holding patterns and in flying
the IAP. For holds the knowledge required is;

a) Learning the hold entry procedures to establish correctly onto the
holding axis,

b) flying a four or six minute hold to ensure the inbound track is
correctly achieved and the timing is correct,

c) learning how to adjust the hold for wind.

The IAP training would involve;

a) a knowledge of the published IAP diagrams and annotations,

b) Correct interpretation of the flight profile - courses and descent

c) Knowledge of DH/MDH and MAP and Approach Minima procedures.

These are procedures that can be extremely satisfying to fly but it
requires good flying skills, a stopwatch, loads of enthusiasm and a
fair bit of time. The procedures take some time to learn and reasonable
skills to complete - not everyone has the mental agility to comprehend

If anyone would like to join in with Mike I will be happy to provide
assistance. I can't teach you how to fly these procedures but I can
describe them to you and watch you on IVAO to explain corrective

I won't create a tutorial on this subject as there are bound to be
plenty already on the Internet. What I will do is dig out some sites
where the data is lucid and has plenty of diagrams and I can then field
your questions as you go through the material.


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