[jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:08:32 +0100

You would get a bit wet trying that with some of the IOM procedures. <vbg>

bones

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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Smith
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Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.


are you allowed to walk them first
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.


> Good man.
>
> Holding patterns and IAP's vary with every airfield. For practise
> purposes it would be best for each pilot to choose a set of procedures
> for an airfield of their choice and learn these and fly them
> constantly. That way you get to accumulate knowledge rather than have
> to learn a whole new procedure from scratch each time - which tends to
> stop you learning the basics.
>
> Many airfields have IAP's. Some may just be ILS, some just an NDB/DME.
> Ronaldsway is lucky because we have VOR, NDB, ILS and SRA procedures,
> all slightly unusual so a tad tricky to learn.
>
> The first step for everyone is to pick the airfield they want to learn
> at and grab the IAP's from AIS. Print the charts out and study them
> carefully. Once you think you know how they work then we begin the
> process of descri=bing them and my guidance for flying them.
>
> I will probably have talk through the processes with each pilot
> separately via email as each of you have differing absorbsion rates
> and may be working on different procedures.
>
> As a general rule I suggest you start with an ILS procedure because
> you already know the final part of this from online flying. In this
> case the new bit is the approach to the airfield and your positioning
> round for the ILS under your own navigation rather than have radar
> vectoring you round.
>
> Once an ILS is mastered the next step would be to look at a VOR
> letdown - slightly tougher to do and finally an NDB letdown - the
> trickiest of the lot. You would also need to fly the initial
> procedures without wind so you understand the way they work. Once wind
> is added it requires a lot more work in assessing drift - frustrating
> at times but very rewarding when you get it
> right.
>
> bones
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
> Sent: 04 September 2007 18:45
> To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.
>
>
> I'm on.
>
> Gerry Winskill
>
>
> bones wrote:
>
>>One thing we rarely did in PCI was stick and aircraft in the hold or
>>clear an aircraft for a procedural approach. A procedural approach is
>>one where the radar has failed (or the airfield doesn't have radar)
>>and the approach is flown from the published IAP plate.
>>
>>Some of you may have looked at these plates before and may be curious
>>about them. I am currently describing these to Mike Lucas so that he
>>can attempt these procedures but I'd like to know if other pilots are
>>interested in going up a level in flying skills.
>>
>>The basic skills required are in flying holding patterns and in flying
>>the IAP. For holds the knowledge required is;
>>
>>a) Learning the hold entry procedures to establish correctly onto the
>>holding axis,
>>
>>b) flying a four or six minute hold to ensure the inbound track is
>>correctly achieved and the timing is correct,
>>
>>c) learning how to adjust the hold for wind.
>>
>>The IAP training would involve;
>>
>>a) a knowledge of the published IAP diagrams and annotations,
>>
>>b) Correct interpretation of the flight profile - courses and descent
>>points,
>>
>>c) Knowledge of DH/MDH and MAP and Approach Minima procedures.
>>
>>These are procedures that can be extremely satisfying to fly but it
>>requires good flying skills, a stopwatch, loads of enthusiasm and a
>>fair bit of time. The procedures take some time to learn and
>>reasonable skills to complete - not everyone has the mental agility to
>>comprehend them.
>>
>>If anyone would like to join in with Mike I will be happy to provide
>>assistance. I can't teach you how to fly these procedures but I can
>>describe them to you and watch you on IVAO to explain corrective
>>action.
>>
>>I won't create a tutorial on this subject as there are bound to be
>>plenty already on the Internet. What I will do is dig out some sites
>>where the data is lucid and has plenty of diagrams and I can then
>>field your questions as you go through the material.
>>
>>bones
>>bones@xxxxxxx
>>http://fsaviation.net
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