[jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:25:35 +0100

If my wife did that to me I'd be checking that it wasn't a stick of Semtex..
<g>

Ooops. Hi GCHQ.. <vbg>

bones

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 17 September 2007 15:26
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.


I've not ducked out of this one, just looking for a gap in which to Bone
up on it. Ouch!

Amnesty on it today, 'cos it's my birthday. SWMBO gave me a mini
chocolate Swiss Roll, with one candle. It took three goes to blow it out!
Nature's way of telling me I'm past my sell by date?

Gerry Winskill


bones wrote:

>Let me know when you've had a look at them and I'll start describing
>the procedures. Give the ILS/DME 26 chart a little more attention as
>that will be the first I'll deal with.
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>bones
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
>Sent: 04 September 2007 21:52
>To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.
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>I'll opt to learn Ronaldsway. Not because it's here but because I have
>the AIPs and workable FSX scenery. Printing out the charts now.
>
>Gerry Winskill
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>>>Good man.
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>>>Holding patterns and IAP's vary with every airfield. For practise
>>>purposes it would be best for each pilot to choose a set of
>>>procedures for an airfield of their choice and learn these and fly
>>>them constantly. That way
>>>you get to accumulate knowledge rather than have to learn a whole new
>>>procedure from scratch each time - which tends to stop you learning the
>>>basics.
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>>>Many airfields have IAP's. Some may just be ILS, some just an
>>>NDB/DME. Ronaldsway is lucky because we have VOR, NDB, ILS and SRA
>>>procedures, all slightly unusual so a tad tricky to learn.
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>>>The first step for everyone is to pick the airfield they want to
>>>learn at and grab the IAP's from AIS. Print the charts out and study
>>>them carefully.
>>>Once you think you know how they work then we begin the process of
>>>descri=bing them and my guidance for flying them.
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>>>I will probably have talk through the processes with each pilot
>>>separately via email as each of you have differing absorbsion rates
>>>and may be working
>>>on different procedures.
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>>>As a general rule I suggest you start with an ILS procedure because
>>>you already know the final part of this from online flying. In this
>>>case the new bit is the approach to the airfield and your positioning
>>>round for the ILS under your own navigation rather than have radar
>>>vectoring you round.
>>>
>>>Once an ILS is mastered the next step would be to look at a VOR
>>>letdown - slightly tougher to do and finally an NDB letdown - the
>>>trickiest of the lot. You would also need to fly the initial
>>>procedures without wind so you
>>>understand the way they work. Once wind is added it requires a lot
>>>more work
>>>in assessing drift - frustrating at times but very rewarding when you
>>>get it
>>>right.
>>>
>>>bones
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry
>>>Winskill
>>>Sent: 04 September 2007 18:45
>>>To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.
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>>>I'm on.
>>>
>>>Gerry Winskill
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>>>bones wrote:
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>>>>One thing we rarely did in PCI was stick and aircraft in the hold or
>>>>clear an aircraft for a procedural approach. A procedural approach
>>>>is one where the radar has failed (or the airfield doesn't have
>>>>radar) and the approach is flown from the published IAP plate.
>>>>
>>>>Some of you may have looked at these plates before and may be
>>>>curious about them. I am currently describing these to Mike Lucas so
>>>>that he can attempt these procedures but I'd like to know if other
>>>>pilots are interested in going up a level in flying skills.
>>>>
>>>>The basic skills required are in flying holding patterns and in
>>>>flying the IAP. For holds the knowledge required is;
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>>>>a) Learning the hold entry procedures to establish correctly onto
>>>>the holding axis,
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>>>>b) flying a four or six minute hold to ensure the inbound track is
>>>>correctly achieved and the timing is correct,
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>>>>c) learning how to adjust the hold for wind.
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>>>>The IAP training would involve;
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>>>>a) a knowledge of the published IAP diagrams and annotations,
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>>>>b) Correct interpretation of the flight profile - courses and
>>>>descent points,
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>>>>c) Knowledge of DH/MDH and MAP and Approach Minima procedures.
>>>>
>>>>These are procedures that can be extremely satisfying to fly but it
>>>>requires good flying skills, a stopwatch, loads of enthusiasm and a
>>>>fair bit of time. The procedures take some time to learn and
>>>>reasonable skills to complete - not everyone has the mental agility
>>>>to comprehend them.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone would like to join in with Mike I will be happy to provide
>>>>assistance. I can't teach you how to fly these procedures but I can
>>>>describe them to you and watch you on IVAO to explain corrective
>>>>action.
>>>>
>>>>I won't create a tutorial on this subject as there are bound to be
>>>>plenty already on the Internet. What I will do is dig out some sites
>>>>where the data is lucid and has plenty of diagrams and I can then
>>>>field your questions as you go through the material.
>>>>
>>>>bones
>>>>bones@xxxxxxx
>>>>http://fsaviation.net
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