[jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

  • From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:53:34 +0100

Included were a Memory card and an Idiot's Guide to....

Is someone trying to tell me something?

Gerry Winskill, I think.

Alex Barrett wrote:

Not at all Gerry! its all in the presents that give the age away.

If it was an IV stand or Slippers you might be getting close. If it requires a plug or cables you are probably ok for a few more weeks yet.


I got a stripy jumper for my last birthday....I think I'm bug*ered already!

Gerry Winskill wrote:

I've not ducked out of this one, just looking for a gap in which to Bone up on it. Ouch!

Amnesty on it today, 'cos it's my birthday. SWMBO gave me a mini chocolate Swiss Roll, with one candle. It took three goes to blow it out!
Nature's way of telling me I'm past my sell by date?

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

Let me know when you've had a look at them and I'll start describing the procedures. Give the ILS/DME 26 chart a little more attention as that will
be the first I'll deal with.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 04 September 2007 21:52
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

I'll opt to learn Ronaldsway. Not because it's here but because I have
the AIPs and workable FSX scenery.
Printing out the charts now.

Gerry Winskill

Good man.

Holding patterns and IAP's vary with every airfield. For practise
it would be best for each pilot to choose a set of procedures for an
airfield of their choice and learn these and fly them constantly.
That way
you get to accumulate knowledge rather than have to learn a whole new
procedure from scratch each time - which tends to stop you learning the

Many airfields have IAP's. Some may just be ILS, some just an
NDB/DME. Ronaldsway is lucky because we have VOR, NDB, ILS and SRA
procedures, all slightly unusual so a tad tricky to learn.

The first step for everyone is to pick the airfield they want to
learn at
and grab the IAP's from AIS. Print the charts out and study them
Once you think you know how they work then we begin the process of
descri=bing them and my guidance for flying them.

I will probably have talk through the processes with each pilot
via email as each of you have differing absorbsion rates and may be
on different procedures.

As a general rule I suggest you start with an ILS procedure because
you already know the final part of this from online flying. In this
case the new bit is the approach to the airfield and your positioning
round for the ILS
under your own navigation rather than have radar vectoring you round.

Once an ILS is mastered the next step would be to look at a VOR
letdown -
slightly tougher to do and finally an NDB letdown - the trickiest of the
lot. You would also need to fly the initial procedures without wind
so you
understand the way they work. Once wind is added it requires a lot
more work
in assessing drift - frustrating at times but very rewarding when you
get it


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry
Sent: 04 September 2007 18:45
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Pushing the learning skills up a notch.

I'm on.

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

One thing we rarely did in PCI was stick and aircraft in the hold or
clear an aircraft for a procedural approach. A procedural approach
is one where the radar has failed (or the airfield doesn't have
radar) and the approach is flown from the published IAP plate.

Some of you may have looked at these plates before and may be
curious about them. I am currently describing these to Mike Lucas so
that he can attempt these procedures but I'd like to know if other
pilots are interested in going up a level in flying skills.

The basic skills required are in flying holding patterns and in
flying the IAP. For holds the knowledge required is;

a) Learning the hold entry procedures to establish correctly onto
the holding axis,

b) flying a four or six minute hold to ensure the inbound track is
correctly achieved and the timing is correct,

c) learning how to adjust the hold for wind.

The IAP training would involve;

a) a knowledge of the published IAP diagrams and annotations,

b) Correct interpretation of the flight profile - courses and
descent points,

c) Knowledge of DH/MDH and MAP and Approach Minima procedures.

These are procedures that can be extremely satisfying to fly but it
requires good flying skills, a stopwatch, loads of enthusiasm and a
fair bit of time. The procedures take some time to learn and
reasonable skills to complete - not everyone has the mental agility
to comprehend them.

If anyone would like to join in with Mike I will be happy to provide
assistance. I can't teach you how to fly these procedures but I can
describe them to you and watch you on IVAO to explain corrective

I won't create a tutorial on this subject as there are bound to be
plenty already on the Internet. What I will do is dig out some sites
where the data is lucid and has plenty of diagrams and I can then
field your questions as you go through the material.


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