[jhb_airlines] Re: PCI Wednesday

  • From: "Fred Stopforth" <fredstopforth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:55:25 +0100

Just done a test run of the Rum Run in a Warrior.Touch&Go at Saba's tiny runway at the bottom of a mountain [you need a mag/glass to see it on app]. St Barth's could give you heart attack unless you've had plenty of dropdown experience on Blackpool's Big One.One needs Rumming up on this run. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>

To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:17 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: PCI Wednesday

Charts are a problem and that is why I included photos in the picture. Those of you with FSNav should get a good idea of runway orientation but there are sites like http://www.fltplan.com/AirportInformation/TKPN.htm that can give
you runway length data.

Most of the airfields are easy but Saba and St Bart's are a challenge. Saba is a tiny island with the runway built up on a lava flow that runs into the
sea. In real life it has cliffs at either end but I doubt this will be
replicated in FS.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Brook
Sent: 15 July 2007 17:38
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: PCI Wednesday

Airfield chart availability is sadly lacking. The only ones that I have been
able to find are for TNCM & TFFJ at


and for TNCE at


I'm still looking ...


ps I have made eighteen attempts to land my PA28 on rwy 10 at TFFJ this
afternoon and have failed completely achieving a single safe landing! (I'm
using an early version of the IWI Just Flight scenery). Sheeeesh!

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bones
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:05 AM
To: JHB Airlines Email List
Subject: [jhb_airlines] PCI Wednesday

For our session this week I'd like to suggest the Caribbean
tour I mentioned a week or so ago.

I hope the picture gets through otherwise what I go on to say
will be a load of cobblers. If you don't get it I'll post it
on a web page.

The session is unusual as it involves six airports for the
VFR pilots. These

St Maartens (TNCM),
St Barts (TFFJ),
Saba (TNCS),
St Eustacius (TNCE),
St Kitts (TKPK)
and Nevis (TKPN).

Compared with normal sessions this is a true island hopping
exercise as distances are very short - it only being 54nm
from TNCM to TKPN. It should be quite viable for a full tour
of the six airports to be made within the session. The only
provision I would add for the session is that no pilot starts
up on the ground at St Bart's (TFFJ) - you can pick any
airport to start at except this. I'd also urge everyone to
make St Bart's a port of call en route as it is the most
challenging of the six airports.

With so many airports open we either make three of them non
ATC or each controller picks two airports. As the islands are
nicely paired I'd suggest that TNCM and TFFJ be under one
controller, TNCS and TNCE under another and TKPK and TKPN for
the third. As we only get a runway diagram for the airfield
we centre on it would be best to locate to the bigger of each
pair and control this properly. For the minor airfield we
provide aircraft separation but each pilot is responsible for
circuit joining and landing. It sounds complex but it is
quite easy if we look at each group.

St Maartens and St Barts.
In this case the controller centres at TNCM and provides a
normal service.
He can look out for aircraft flying to St Bart's and provide
traffic confliction but once the pilot has the airfield in
sight it is up to him to position for a landing there.

Saba and St Eustacius.
Centre at St Eustacius and provide guidance to and traffic
info on aircraft going to Saba.

St Kitts and Nevis.
Centre on St Kitts and watch traffic going back and forth to

The default scenery is basic but an additional mesh creates
the proper hilly bits around St Barts and Saba. I'd suggest
the LesserAntilliesMesh.zip for this. If you would like nicer
scenery then Tony Agramont's Caribbe_North.zip and
Caribbe_South.zip add some nice detail to the islands. One
word of caution - FS have got the default airfield height of
St Maarten wrong so the default runway (and any added scenery
runway) sits about 10ft above the terrain. It looks slightly
odd but if you stay on the runway and taxiways you should be OK.

IFR pilots have a much greater choice of airfields. The
islands run for 400nm so there are plenty of options here -
San Juan, Antigua, Barbuda, St Lucia, BVI, Martinique,
Dominica, St Vincent, Anguilla, Guadeloupe and even Barbados.
Of the manned airports only St Kitts and St Maarten are big
enough for heavy metal but neither are excessively long.

It needs both the controllers and the pilots to accept this
idea before we go ahead as it is a challenge for everyone.


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