[jhb_airlines] Re: PCI Wednesday

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:17:08 +0100

Charts are a problem and that is why I included photos in the picture. Those
of you with FSNav should get a good idea of runway orientation but there are
sites like http://www.fltplan.com/AirportInformation/TKPN.htm that can give
you runway length data.

Most of the airfields are easy but Saba and St Bart's are a challenge. Saba
is a tiny island with the runway built up on a lava flow that runs into the
sea. In real life it has cliffs at either end but I doubt this will be
replicated in FS.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Brook
Sent: 15 July 2007 17:38
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: PCI Wednesday

Airfield chart availability is sadly lacking. The only ones that I have been
able to find are for TNCM & TFFJ at


and for TNCE at


I'm still looking ...


ps I have made eighteen attempts to land my PA28 on rwy 10 at TFFJ this
afternoon and have failed completely achieving a single safe landing! (I'm
using an early version of the IWI Just Flight scenery). Sheeeesh!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bones
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:05 AM
> To: JHB Airlines Email List
> Subject: [jhb_airlines] PCI Wednesday
> For our session this week I'd like to suggest the Caribbean
> tour I mentioned a week or so ago.
> I hope the picture gets through otherwise what I go on to say
> will be a load of cobblers. If you don't get it I'll post it
> on a web page.
> The session is unusual as it involves six airports for the
> VFR pilots. These
> are:
> St Maartens (TNCM),
> St Barts (TFFJ),
> Saba (TNCS),
> St Eustacius (TNCE),
> St Kitts (TKPK)
> and Nevis (TKPN).
> Compared with normal sessions this is a true island hopping
> exercise as distances are very short - it only being 54nm
> from TNCM to TKPN. It should be quite viable for a full tour
> of the six airports to be made within the session. The only
> provision I would add for the session is that no pilot starts
> up on the ground at St Bart's (TFFJ) - you can pick any
> airport to start at except this. I'd also urge everyone to
> make St Bart's a port of call en route as it is the most
> challenging of the six airports.
> With so many airports open we either make three of them non
> ATC or each controller picks two airports. As the islands are
> nicely paired I'd suggest that TNCM and TFFJ be under one
> controller, TNCS and TNCE under another and TKPK and TKPN for
> the third. As we only get a runway diagram for the airfield
> we centre on it would be best to locate to the bigger of each
> pair and control this properly. For the minor airfield we
> provide aircraft separation but each pilot is responsible for
> circuit joining and landing. It sounds complex but it is
> quite easy if we look at each group.
> St Maartens and St Barts.
> In this case the controller centres at TNCM and provides a
> normal service.
> He can look out for aircraft flying to St Bart's and provide
> traffic confliction but once the pilot has the airfield in
> sight it is up to him to position for a landing there.
> Saba and St Eustacius.
> Centre at St Eustacius and provide guidance to and traffic
> info on aircraft going to Saba.
> St Kitts and Nevis.
> Centre on St Kitts and watch traffic going back and forth to
> The default scenery is basic but an additional mesh creates
> the proper hilly bits around St Barts and Saba. I'd suggest
> the LesserAntilliesMesh.zip for this. If you would like nicer
> scenery then Tony Agramont's Caribbe_North.zip and
> Caribbe_South.zip add some nice detail to the islands. One
> word of caution - FS have got the default airfield height of
> St Maarten wrong so the default runway (and any added scenery
> runway) sits about 10ft above the terrain. It looks slightly
> odd but if you stay on the runway and taxiways you should be OK.
> IFR pilots have a much greater choice of airfields. The
> islands run for 400nm so there are plenty of options here -
> San Juan, Antigua, Barbuda, St Lucia, BVI, Martinique,
> Dominica, St Vincent, Anguilla, Guadeloupe and even Barbados.
> Of the manned airports only St Kitts and St Maarten are big
> enough for heavy metal but neither are excessively long.
> It needs both the controllers and the pilots to accept this
> idea before we go ahead as it is a challenge for everyone.
> bones
> bones@xxxxxxx
> http://fsaviation.net

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