[jhb_airlines] Re: Online flight/IVAO/Stuff

  • From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:36:31 +0100

It must be the case then that the version including ATC software is different, since it didn't appear in the Control Panel route.

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

I used the Window Add/Remove Programs option - it was in there.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 30 August 2007 22:59
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Online flight/IVAO/Stuff

I coudn't find a removal utillity, nor a module in the Modules folder. Could
they be Controller software specific?

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

Although I have removed the PCI pilot software from my system - which
I'll never use again - I still have the controller suite installed.

One word of advice should we eventually decide to leave PCI. The
uninstall utility doesn't remove all traces of PCI from the system - it
just seems to remove the PCI folders. The files within FS are still
there (including the 1.5Mb DLL in the Modules folder) plus a raft of
Registry entries. As FS loads all DLL's in the Modules folder it's best
to get any old ones out of there as they just eat up memory.


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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Dodds
Sent: 28 August 2007 13:28
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Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Online flight/IVAO/Stuff

I bookmarked this message for comment ages ago, but it escaped along
with so many other things...<sigh>

How has everyone else got on with IVAO? for those of you that tried it
that is.

In answer to Alan's question about VATSIM. I did give it a go before I
left and I'm afraid that it just didn't do anything for me, the GA
was good for the time I was flying around, however was made to feel
a bit of a nuisance when requesting airspace transits, a bit too
like real life for it to be hobby like.

I have always found the controllers welcome me because I give them
something to do.  I am traffic.

Also it just felt more of a competition to be better than everyone
else, pilots and controllers alike. Far too much snobbery, it just
didn't feel like an organisation where one could feel at home.

I just don't recognise this. I reckon the BTB in Vatsim would be
mortified to feel that you feel that way.  There is only one
objectionable bossy ATCO in VATSIM UK that i know of, and we GA types
just don't fly in his patch. His loss, not ours.

The software isn't as slick as IVAO's,


the web systems don't seem to be advanced.

Perhaps, but you can find what you want easier than on IVAO

I'm sure its an excellent network for those who want to plug in, fly
by the book, log out and do their flight reports at their little
desks. However I want to be part of a community.

Like Clifton Flyers, Virtual BBMF, Cix VFR you mean <g>

As with Bones I joined way back when it was SATCO, down in the dark
days when one could see names like Miguel Blaufuks, Mungo Amyatt-Leir
and Nels Anderson flying round. In fact I was one of the first UK
Division staff members, I remember the long nights of sitting as EGTT
CTR and having only one aircraft come in and out of Heathrow, FS
awareness of SID's and STARS back then was almost non existent and
their introduction as things got more busy caused many problems.

It was at the introduction of membership entry exams that I left,
something I protested most strongly, and loudly, about. I'm glad to
see those have gone now.

I suspect your memories are your burden, Alex, in the same way that I
shake my head in disbelief at the time and money wasted in modern
businesses sending emails, staring at documents on PCs most of which
(in Engineering at any rate) are generated as a result of the Health &
Safety at Work Act which is a bucket for all excuses and incompetance.
You need a method statement, a risk assessment, a safe system of work,
a detailed drawing and 10 meetings just to knock a nail in!!!  New
employees just don't see this - this is the norm for them.

I will give VATSIM further tries over the week, however for the moment
IVAO is certainly at the top of the pile for me - things could change
of course!

I think we (JHB) are committed to IVAO now - Bones has only today burnt
his PCI bridges! <g>


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