Without seeing your screen I can't be sure what you are looking at. Just in case you have moved the wrong folders check to see if the uninstall routine icon you are looking at is the program itself or a shortcut to it. Right click the icons and select properties if you can't identify the icon type. Under the General tab it should say Type of File = Shortcut. If you select Explore from the Start button it should open up Explorer at the folder called Start Menu. This has a sub folder called Programs which should contain a raft of shortcuts - these being the icons you see when you click on Start and All Programs. It really helps here if you've changed the settings in Explorer to show all file extensions - go into Tools and Folder Options, select the View tab and untick "Hide extensions for known file types". When a program first installs most tend to put several shortcuts on your system. One is the program itself, one generally an uninstall shortcut and most include a document shortcut too. A few programs install a real bunch of useless shortcuts too - links to their web site pages ad nauseum and suchlike. If these shortcuts don't get bundled in a sub folder to Programs the result is the inevitable screen clutter you see on all to many PC's. On my system I have but three icons on the desktop, sometimes a few more when I am testing software. The truth is that I work in Explorer a lot so if I need to launch a program's readme file or uninstall it I will do so from its installed folder rather than through a desktop shortcut. My thinking is that any link to an item that is likely to be used just once or twice in the history of the product shouldn't exist as a shortcut. I therefore cut all shortcuts down to the minimum required - usually the shortcut for the program itself and, sometimes, manuals for some of the beefier products like the PMDG aircraft. I admit this is not everyone's cup of tea. It takes continual maintenance, especially when testing beta software like Pilot Club. You move all your shortcuts and then they release a new beta which puts them all back again. <g> bones -----Original Message----- From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FrankTurley@xxxxxxx Sent: 25 September 2006 08:22 To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Limited Account In a message dated 24/09/2006 19:36:37 GMT Daylight Time, bones@xxxxxxx writes: Also, if you right click on Start and select Explore it opens up the Start Menu in Explorer and you can then rearrange your programs (or rather the shortcuts) as I did into neat sub folders. Bones, Sorry I'm baffled. I did this and each folder appears as a folder with a windows logo on the front, and appears to contain a program's uninstall routine. If I try to create a folder here it appears as another one with a windows logo rather than the usual plain folder. Am I exploring the wrong place? Frank T.