[jhb_airlines] Re: Life's a sod

  • From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:50:38 +0100

I've had those as well and have dumped them without opening the things. It's
easy enough to log on and check direct from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Like Mike I may just run a daily check on the accounts online in future.

I'm still expects a debit of several thousand pounds from Pilot Club to
appear... <vbg>


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 22 September 2006 17:51
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: Life's a sod

I've had a couple of emails, purpoting to be from Paypal, asking me to
update my data, to avoid the account being closed. Since I rarely use
it, now, I've ignored the requests. At least twlve months later and my
Paypal account is still active, which is definitely iffy.
Hope you manage to escape with no financial har. Off for the tranquilisers.

Gerry Winskill

Bones wrote:

>Grab yourselves a cup of tea because this tale will take some time to
>It all started this morning when the postman delivered a package from
>AFE. Inside should have been a copy of the Bottling VFR Flight Guide
>but what I had actually been sent was the full UK I04 Airways manual.
>Instead of 250 pages showing the UK airfields I had the complete UK
>Instrument Approach Procedures plus all the other pages that go with
>the IFR manual. That's basically two volumes, each about four inches
>thick. There's a slight difference in price too - the VFR guide being
>34 quid but the IFR Airways Manual is 399.00 <g>.
>I wasn't even tempted to keep it as we have copies of the manual in
>each aircraft - and we use Aerad which are nicer to read than the Jepp
>plates. Before phoning AFE to explain their error I thought I would
>check to see that they hadn't debited nearly 400 smackers from my
>account. There wasn't any deduction on my last printed statement
>(sounds odd but the order was placed some time ago) so I went online to
>check my balance on the web site. And this is where the story really
>As soon as the statement appeared I knew there was something wrong. The
>first one that hit me was a payment to O2 and then another to T-Mobile
>- both which can't operate in the IoM because the government have the
>monopoly on mobile networks (via Manx Telecom). Further up the list was
>a payment to www.digico.co.uk who I'd never heard of but are one of the
>many discount electronics companies online. Altogether there was about
>1000 pounds worth of deductions.
>One very quick phone call to credit card fraud and I had the account
>frozen and, luckily, will get the monies repaid into the account. Which
>leads us to ask how someone could have got my details. I must explain
>that this card is for a "household" account that I do not normally use
>very much. It was originally my mortgage account but when the mortgage
>stopped I kept paying into it with the money primarily going on house
>renovation. Any monies paid from this account are mostly by cheque and
>the credit card is rarely used - it's basically a sleeping account.
>So how did this happen? Going back over previous statements nothing
>untoward was obvious, the only debits being to Amazon and RC Sims. Then
>the lady asked about a Paypal debit to PAYPAL *BETFAIRLIM. Well, on
>25th July Paypal had taken two debits from my account, both for 120.00.
>I didn't know this at the time and I didn't chase it up because by the
>time the statement was sent to me both payments had been paid back into
>my account. But this is where the problem begins - the fraud was
>originated right here.
>I didn't fully understand her explanation but it has something to do
>with setting up online gambling accounts. When paypal can't match the
>data supplied with their known records for me (one advantage maybe of
>having registered with them) they closed the gambling account and
>refunded my cash. Exactly 28 days later the card details were
>successfully used to buy something from digico and 28 days after that
>from O2UK.
>I was puzzled as to why the fraud started in late July. Apart from
>insurance direct debits the statements show a few Amazon payments and
>now't else back to the beginning of the year. No shop purchases, no mad
>online spending. "It doesn't matter." the lass explained. "Over the
>period you have had the card you may have given details to shop
>assistants, on telephone orders or over the Internet. If the card
>number plus the three digit code exists in written records anywhere it
>could be been easily obtained. These details could have been hacked
>into, found on a dumped computer or looked up by a disgruntled employee
>- there's no way of telling."
>So that's it. Once your number and three digit code are given away then
>you no longer can guarantee your account is safe - which means all of
>us. There is no protection at all. It's bloody horrifying.
>Someone suggested a while back that the three digit code should be
>computer generated daily. After today's fright I think it would be a
>grand idea. You could write it down freely knowing it will be dead in
>24 hours.
>angry bones

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