[jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO and AI

  • From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:55:07 +0000

On line it really isn't difficult to spot one from the other. In FSC they are in different colours. Better still, one press of the button and AI ceases to appear on FSC.

I recall some of us being quite pleased when an FPI update allowed AI and FPI aircraft to co exist.

As to it being a good move for IVAO to unilaterally disable it, I regard that in pretty much the same way I do auto installers.

I guess an easy way to test the nuisance value, or otherwise, of AI would be to offer ATC the option of telling me when they consider I have it in use.....

Gerry Winskill

Bones wrote:
Active AI is a nuisance when flying online. It's all very well for a
seasoned pilot who can tell the difference between AI and online traffic but
some pilots don't. If they start bleating about traffic ATC can't see or
control - or start taking action to avoid such traffic then it gets
FPI disabled AI aircraft, VATSIM probably does and multiplayer used to in
FS9 (I can't speak for FSX).
If you are flying online in a stream of aircraft and one pilot starts
diverging from ATC instructions to avoid an AI aircraft on his system - the
result being that ATC then have to break you off you approach - you may find
this annoying. I think that turning AI off as default is a good move.

At least IVAO gives you the option to turn on AI again. By doing so it
assumes you know the consequences.


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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 07 November 2008 14:55
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Subject: [jhb_airlines] IVAO and AI

We've aired the subject of running AI during on line sessions in the past. Since I hate empty aprons I'm amongst those in favour of AI. As I see it there are only two points against its use. The first is whether it imposes an unacceptable performance hit on the user's system. The second is the theoretical one that its use complicates life for controllers. The second is only valid if the user lets it happen. If I find myself impeded by an AI aircraft, whilst receiving ATC instructions, I either ignore the AI, or switch it off, temporarilly. So, ATC is affected by it only if I do something daft, by letting my actions be influenced by it. Provided I keep to my side of the bargain it's impossible for ATC to know whether I'm using AI or not.

Now things seem to have changed and we could be moving to Nanny IVAO interference. Although I always have both my AI sliders at 80%, there are times, as I go on line, when I neither see it on the ground, nor in the FSC display. What seems to be happening, with the latest version of IVAP, is that simply firing up IVAP, via the FSX Add-ons menu item, sets both AI sliders to zero. It doesn't have to be connected to the server for this to happen. Once spotted and it's easy enough to re set the sliders and recover the AI. However, have I missed IVAO announcing that they've done this? I haven't seen it and really am not in favour of any third party programme interfering with any of my FSX settings.

Has anyone else spotted this one?

Gerry Winskill

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