[jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO AI aircraft

  • From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:46:41 +0100

Thanks for the route to the list.

It looks as though the GA list hasn't grown.

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

I accept that painting VFR aircraft in VA colours may not be an option but
it is worth exploring. Maybe I could just go for the BE58 as British Midland
use one in real life for flying the boss around..

For IFR aircraft I have to know the repaints would be needed to be used and
by a good number of pilots. If everyone flies a different IFR aircraft in
IVAO - if I see one in a B747, one in a B737, on an A320 and one a DC10 then
the lack of consistency may preclude any further action in the repaint idea.
It also has to be said that it is early days yet and IFR may be some time
away for most pilots. At least on IVAO you can upload aircraft in stages -
you don't have to create an airline pack as PCI required.

BTW, is there a link for download list updates, for IVAO aircraft?

Looking at the MTL pages the amount of submissions is quite high. Go to the
Software Development tab and from this choose the MTL tab. There is a
catalogue here to check but also look at the Informations (sic) tab and
check the number of files they have received and are ready to release. At
the moment I see about 50 aircraft/repaints submitted for inclusion into the


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 29 August 2007 19:58
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO AI aircraft

I already have a honed down list, from which I choose. With the
exception of VFR they are in your list and are:
Dash8 Q400
CRJ900 or  ERJ145    I'll settle for whichever you decide to go with.

VFR is my tricky one, where I use the Lionceau APM20 for FarmStrips and
the Socata TB21GT for the rest of my VFR flying. Both are in the IVAO
dropdown menu but aren't supported by actual aircraft. To avoid others
seeing my TB21GT as the default AN2, I fly it but opt for the SR22 in
the flightplan. The aircraft have not dissimilar looks and performance,
though the IVAO  SR22's appearance is unimpressive. When actually flying
the APM20, I select the KATANA from the menu. for similar reasons.
Personally I'm unsure as to the value of a JHB liveried VFR aircraft,
though definitely favour the livery for the IFR kit.

BTW, is there a link for download list updates, for IVAO aircraft?

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

Before we start looking at an AI fleet for JHB on IVAO we will have to
think about the type of aircraft we want to use. It's not a good idea
to repaint loads of FS aircraft as this increases the number of files
other IVAO pilots have to download - something users here have already
baulked at.

The other point about AI aircraft is that we should produce a
reasonable balance so that the aircraft types you choose (from the
flight plan list) are of sufficient scope to see regular use. If we
paint a C172 I am sure many pilots will use this aircraft for their
flying aircraft in FS. OTOH if Gerry picks the SR22 for a flight I
would assume that this takes priority on the flight plan over any JHB
painted aircraft - it would seem strange to a controller to see C172 in
the plan and a remark saying actual aircraft is an SR22 because he
might ask why the SR22 wasn't selected in the first place.

It would be therefore be better to confine the AI aircraft to a small
number of regularly flown types covering both VFR and IFR operations.

I won't use the PCI fleet as a yardstick because that was crippled by
their lack of paintkits. Although we had a few aircraft in their
library I'm fairly sure a number remained unused - was it really needed
to have an full A318/A319/A320 and A321 set? Likewise the VUK repaints
for VATSIM are not balanced to the aircraft we fly and so I suggest we
start afresh in IVAO.

My initial thoughts for regularly flown types are:

Single - C172 or P28A
Twin - BE58 or C421 or PA31
Turboprop - Dash 8 or ATR42/72
Shorthaul Jet - Boeing 737 or A320

To this I would consider further categories:

Exec Turboprop - King Air or Beech 1900 or similar
Exec Jet - Cessna 550 or Challenger or Gulfstream
Feederliner - CRJ2 or EMB145
Medium Haul Jet - A330 or B757
Long Haul Jet - A340 or B747 or B777

Bearing in mind that I would only create aircraft to match the type you
fly in FS the above range of aircraft is currently excessive and so I'd
only upload those I consider essential. What I would like to know is
what each pilot would consider their preferred mount for VFR and IFR
flying and we can work from there.


Other related posts: