[jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

  • From: Mike Lucas <mhlucas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:16:40 +0100


You want the larger file (6.1 MB), dated 16 April 2007.

Mike L

Fred Stopforth wrote:
I have just d/ld FS9 IVAp // MTL // Manual // These 3 items feature as 3 white sheets with zip clamps on my desktop.I was going to d/l IVAOe but was unsure because it showed 2 BETA d/ls which of the 2 do I d/l? Fred
----- Original Message ----- From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:59 AM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

If you can log in to IVAO now I suggest you dump Frank's files and run it
through from scratch. As Mike said you need the IVAp download for your FS
version. You also need Teamspeak and (I presume) the MTL Library.

Once you have grabbed these and installed them the next step is setting them up. The manual for IVAp is good for this but it's worth coming back to us at
this point for specifics.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Stopforth
Sent: 27 August 2007 00:02
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

Bones , Basically I haven't a clue what I have to or understand to

do, apart from managing to join IVAO and get some info from the menu pages.I

did some downloading with help from FF where a folder contains a IVAP zip /a

manual.pdf /MTL library.zip. These were d/loads e-mailed to me by FF because

I was having a problem with reg/ing my VID and P/word[mistaking the I for a 1]. I was wondering about scrubbing those e-mailed downloads just to give
myself the experience of downloading from the IVAO d/load page[no offence
meant to FF just that I'm trying to get my grey cells on to understanding a what I'm doing]Guess I feel embarassed being a nusiance and gormless but at
the sametime such a situation has got to be overcome by me and I wish to
show consideration to others for their time spent helping me since they have

their work and family matters to attend to as well.Well that's my 'speak up'

about myself.  Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

I don't hold out much future for PCI. Even if it continues we are in a
backwater because we can't learn anything by staying there. In truth
the  declining participation of users in PCI has actually been a
backward step  for us because we are forgetting a lot we had learned in
the early days  when  more controllers were around. The knowledge we
slowly built up has slowly  eroded and we are back to very basic
sessions with little to tax our  brains.

I agree that PCI allows us to play around the world but this only
gives pilots a chance to see some different scenery. Forgetting what
you see out of the window the ATC we provide is just like anywhere
else - it's not getting better because there isn't any rules to the
system to make us strive for improvement.

Whilst I would like to see a shift to IVAO there are two issues that
hesitant to enforce a wholesale switch at the moment. The first is that
pilots have now tested the software and are happy to use the new system - but I would like to make sure that everyone pilot is happy with the change first. John, Ernie, Phil, Fred and myself still have zero hours on IVAO so
either guidance and help is required or the software has not yet been
Once I know everyone can operate in the IVAO system we can then decide
the future direction for our sessions may be.

The second obstacle we face (although obstacle may be too strong a
word to
use) is that of building up our knowledge of UK ATC operations again. The
IVAO ranking system is not just based on hours like JHB but is a
of hours and written tests. These are written to see if you understand the procedures you are going to encounter with ATC and are progressive - they
start off easily and become harder as you wish to rise in rank.

What I haven't yet checked is whether pilots are restricted in any
operations relative to rank - but controllers are. This is something
we need to look at carefully before making the decision to relocate
because it may oblige John, Phil and Frank to knuckle down to some
learning before they can
provide anything other than a basic service on IVAO. Controllers start as
rated and jump to S2 after so many hours. To rise to S1 requires a written
exam pass. The next step to Controller 1 (C1) requires 50 hours online
a written exam plus a practical exam. The practical requires at least five aircraft, involves basic ATC skills, an emergency plus basic knowledge of
ATC procedures. Some ATC units have FRA restrictions which require a
rating before a controller can plug in at that unit - a sensible step to
ensure that the controller is experienced enough to handle the traffic at
that unit.

Before our JHB controllers start to look at this process of promotion
it would be fair for them to get up to speed again and reacquire the
knowledge they have lost in recent times through PCI inactivity. I'm
sure the basics are there but skills have been degraded over time. I
suggest a short period
of readjustment as we step into IVAO, with our discussions on this list
coming back to the early tutorials to reacquaint everyone with the basics.
From my own experience with IVAO so far I would say that the controllers
would integrate nicely into the system and each will probably settle at a
rating of their choice.

If the system sounds a bit harsh on controllers having to knuckle down
to make their grades I consider it is fair to apply these rules. The
whole idea of an online system is for both pilots and controllers to
have fun. Pilots won't enjoy the experience if they encounter an inept
controller so rules have to be created to prevent this happening. ATC
should be good - otherwise
pilots will get fed up and leave.

As for JHB I think we have had enough people plug in and use the
to start the first round of questions. Let's start the ball rolling and
if we can help those pilots who haven't yet dipped their toes in the
As well as questions on software installation and connecting to the system
could I also ask if any users who have joined in to speak up if they are
unsure about any IVAO basics?


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Lucas
Sent: 26 August 2007 17:33
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

After last night's short but successful session - and even though some
of us (and I certainly include myself here) need to familiarise
ourselves with the IvAp software and brush up our rusty procedures - I
wonder what is left for our FPI/PCI sessions?  The only plus would
seem to be the ability of the controllers to plug in wherever they
want, so we can fly anywhere.  Is this feature sufficient on its own?
We all know how bad PCI can be with lag when we get a few aircraft in
fairly close proximity.  Perhaps the time has come to switch our
Wednesday sessions to IVAO?  I can't help thinking that a couple of
sessions such as Bones is suggesting, to build confidence with the
'new' software and to dust off our ATC procedures, is the way to go.
With a 'tame' controller at one end, we might consider some
arrangement to fly out to, and back from, a selection of other fields
(which could be in active ATC areas or not, according to taste).

I will certainly try my best to make Tuesday available for this - but
I would be just as happy to see our Weds sessions move over to IVAO.

Mike L

bones wrote:

What I would like to do is organise a session at Ronaldsway with as
many JHB aircraft as possible. This would test the session nicely and
we could see if any problems arise from this. The big question is
whether pilots have a spare evening free in addition to Wednesday
night so we can run the test. The UK night on IVAO is normally each
Tuesday - is anyone free this week for a run?

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