[jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

  • From: "Paul Reynolds" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:25:35 +0100


When using FSC you did select the right aircraft didn't you?  FSC, like
FSNav contains a rudimentary database of aircraft performance data.  Two of
the bits of data are 'Ceiling' and 'Cruise FL'.  If your planned route would
not ensure you are above MSA while remaining below the ceiling you will get
a warning.

I believe that's how it works, though I'm not sure if the warning is also
triggered by needing to fly above listed cruise FL but below ceiling.

Prompt for Frank F, MSA - Minimum Safe Altitude

So check the data for your chosen aircraft, if it's wrong or you want to add
a new model, there are 'New', 'Edit' and 'Delete' options available from the
Database menu on the Aircraft Window.

I would guess this is the reason the reversed route was rejected but I'm
only guessing.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 15 August 2007 08:43
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

The weird thing is that it crosses all the same points and control zones
as the outward route. It just comes up in red with Track Unacceptable. I
wondered whether it might be flight level but FSC dictates whether odds
or evens are acceptable. If I hadn't chosen to "save" the plan I
wouldn't have got the message. The first time I saw it I'd opted for a
Navaid derived route and wondered whether there might be limits to
distances between navaids. I've looked at a few IVAO pilots' plans and
some are using navaids only.


Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

>Don't forget that there are several sources for obtaining correct
>flight plan routing data. There are;
>a) IVAO Eye,
>b) UKRoute V2 (if you still have it) but this is limited to UK routes
>c) Vroute - VATSIM's answer to IVAO Eye,
>d) RouteFinder at http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/
>Also check you are filing the correct levels as these will be different
>for RVSM and non RVSM airspace.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
>Sent: 14 August 2007 21:23
>To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO
>Sorry I can't join you but I'm currently mid flight, from this
>afternoon's Keflavik destination to Bristol; of which more anon.
>I dithered over doing it on IVAO but, inexcusably, chickened out! I
>couldn't see a way of getting through without tangling with either ot
>the two centres; Shannon or London Centre. A  bad case of LMF!
>Preparing a flightplan in FSC produced another showstopper. No problem
>with the outbound flight but the return, just a mirror image, was
>tagged as unacceptablr by FSC ????? What with an iffy flightplan and
>fighter command protecting the skies, I've taken the cowards way and am
>a third of the way of doing it off line. Must try harder! In fact it's
>not the proceedures that I find daunting; I'm reasonably confident I
>can deal with those and with the aircraft. The offputting nature of my
>first attempt was down simply to the speed of delivery and distortion
>of that evening's Scottish control transmissions. We've got used to the
>speach mannerisms of our own group, whilst being relatively willing to
>shout out if we can't hear.
>I'm doing this return flight in the Citation, to check on FSC's TCAS.
>Using the B757 it was self triggering again, after a decent period
>without, since I reinstalled FSC. On this trip the Citation isn't doing
>it. I suspect it might be caused by aircraft that have several liveries
>and titles built in. The one not tied to the model being flown might be
>triggering the TCAS. Another investigation looms!
>Back to Bristol Xtreme. The lighting there is so bright that, at night,
>it excludes the runway, completely. The question has been raised on the
>UK2000 forum. The reason has been put down to a limitation of FSX that
>prevents the use of decent lighting. Bovine Excrita! A visit to other
>third party sceneries doesn't show the same effect. Although the FSX,
>Xtreme, versions of Stansted, Gatwick and Glasgow are bright, they are
>tolerably so. Therefore the problem is confined to Bristol and can't be
>blamed on MS. I tend to be put off visiting the UK200O forums. The
>posters are a bit too sycophantic for my tastes. I can't see the need
>for such gushing gratitude, for something for which we've all paid.
>Gerry Winskill
>bones wrote:
>>Logged on for an hour or so if anyone needs to test - or go for a
>>little flight..

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