[jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:42:13 +0100

Maximum range of a VOR is 200nm and that's on a good day. Flog over to
Iceland or go from Jersey direct to Santander and you quickly drop out of
any navaid coverage.

Most planners for FS are a joke because they are functionally limited. If
you ask for a route from A to B they most try to find the closest navaids or
fixes to a direct track and then produce a pretty flight plan based on that.
This is why so many Dutch pilots coming to the UK ended up routing over East
Anglia because the planner would lock on to Marham TACAN - whereas in real
life civil aircraft keep as far away from there as possible. Shawbury TACAN
(SWB) also features a lot in these guessed routes if going to Ireland but
civil aircraft can't use TACAN's.. It was abysmal.

Any planner that can only scan for point source aids is useless. Real
aircraft don't do this - they fly in AIRWAYS - and only a planner that knows
where airways are can provide anything like a sensible route. Of course
planner don't know which airways are one way or seasonal but that's just
part of the fun of being told you can't go that way.

In the end the only sure planning tools are those that know all this
information. UKRoute does as it gets data direct from the CAA SRD
publication. Routefinder is about 99% accurate too. I don't know about Eye
or VRoute but I presume they use the same data source. Personally I would
get the route from one of these sources and then bang it into FSNav or FSC.
If they try to tell you different then tell them to get stuffed.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 15 August 2007 08:43
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO

The weird thing is that it crosses all the same points and control zones
as the outward route. It just comes up in red with Track Unacceptable. I
wondered whether it might be flight level but FSC dictates whether odds
or evens are acceptable. If I hadn't chosen to "save" the plan I
wouldn't have got the message. The first time I saw it I'd opted for a
Navaid derived route and wondered whether there might be limits to
distances between navaids. I've looked at a few IVAO pilots' plans and
some are using navaids only.


Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

>Don't forget that there are several sources for obtaining correct
>flight plan routing data. There are;
>a) IVAO Eye,
>b) UKRoute V2 (if you still have it) but this is limited to UK routes
>c) Vroute - VATSIM's answer to IVAO Eye,
>d) RouteFinder at http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/
>Also check you are filing the correct levels as these will be different
>for RVSM and non RVSM airspace.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
>Sent: 14 August 2007 21:23
>To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IVAO
>Sorry I can't join you but I'm currently mid flight, from this
>afternoon's Keflavik destination to Bristol; of which more anon.
>I dithered over doing it on IVAO but, inexcusably, chickened out! I
>couldn't see a way of getting through without tangling with either ot
>the two centres; Shannon or London Centre. A  bad case of LMF!
>Preparing a flightplan in FSC produced another showstopper. No problem
>with the outbound flight but the return, just a mirror image, was
>tagged as unacceptablr by FSC ????? What with an iffy flightplan and
>fighter command protecting the skies, I've taken the cowards way and am
>a third of the way of doing it off line. Must try harder! In fact it's
>not the proceedures that I find daunting; I'm reasonably confident I
>can deal with those and with the aircraft. The offputting nature of my
>first attempt was down simply to the speed of delivery and distortion
>of that evening's Scottish control transmissions. We've got used to the
>speach mannerisms of our own group, whilst being relatively willing to
>shout out if we can't hear.
>I'm doing this return flight in the Citation, to check on FSC's TCAS.
>Using the B757 it was self triggering again, after a decent period
>without, since I reinstalled FSC. On this trip the Citation isn't doing
>it. I suspect it might be caused by aircraft that have several liveries
>and titles built in. The one not tied to the model being flown might be
>triggering the TCAS. Another investigation looms!
>Back to Bristol Xtreme. The lighting there is so bright that, at night,
>it excludes the runway, completely. The question has been raised on the
>UK2000 forum. The reason has been put down to a limitation of FSX that
>prevents the use of decent lighting. Bovine Excrita! A visit to other
>third party sceneries doesn't show the same effect. Although the FSX,
>Xtreme, versions of Stansted, Gatwick and Glasgow are bright, they are
>tolerably so. Therefore the problem is confined to Bristol and can't be
>blamed on MS. I tend to be put off visiting the UK200O forums. The
>posters are a bit too sycophantic for my tastes. I can't see the need
>for such gushing gratitude, for something for which we've all paid.
>Gerry Winskill
>bones wrote:
>>Logged on for an hour or so if anyone needs to test - or go for a
>>little flight..

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