[jhb_airlines] Re: IFC

  • From: "Paul Reynolds" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:26:37 -0000

Next stop, JHB Soapbox, Hyde Park corner anyone? <g>

Amusingly, I was sat in a meeting where "the peoples champion" as he likes
to call himself, John Prescott had to admit he's no longer working class and
hasn't been since getting elected since his earnings as an MP took him out
of the socio-economic group.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Stopforth
Sent: 05 December 2006 20:36
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IFC

An interesting and amusing exchange of words and opinions and comparisons
but I think your last three lines sum it up very Diplomatically  Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IFC

> "I don't really understand why people feel they are better than
> others, because to be honest, there are very few people who deserve to
> consider themselves as 'superior' beings (I'm talking doctors,
> firefighters, nurses (as I'm told by my fiancee) etc"
> Dangerous waters here. Harold Shipman really believed he was a
> superior being...
> When us riff raff started getting eddication a hundred years or so
> back it changed things. Prior to that education was for higher classes
> and so it got lumped in with everything else they had to learn - how
> to hold a knife and fork, ride a horse, learn Greek, behave at the
> local ball and spear a pig (or a local wench). For the rest of us the
> posh stuff got thrown out of the
> syllabus and it was just the book learning that was shoved into our
> skulls.
> Some of us were intelligent and thrived on this.
> This saw the beginning of the professional classes - which could be
> considered as intelligent but without the breeding. Subtle distinction
> and possibly one that should have been spotted years ago. Early
> professionals were indeed that - professional in work and also in
> outlook (Capt Mainwaring in Dad's Army illustrated this perfectly).
> This has eroded as industry has evolved, with the accent on
> intelligence to do the job well and little consideration as to making
> the person professional in appearance and in behaviour. This opens
> cracks...
> We now have people in professional jobs who are absolute plonkers.
> Shipman was one, someone who threw a fuse when he realised his power
> over life and death. OK - he was exceptional as he was a nutter - but
> hands up anyone here who knows a professional who, outside his job, is
> someone to avoid at all costs? I've known some very odd pilots in my
> time, guys who are brilliant at
> landing an airliner in a 60kt gale with half a wing missing but who are
> totally inept the second they step out of the cockpit. Three I knew are in
> jail, one tried to fake his own death by ditching an aircraft, hoping to
> claim off the insurance. He's still missing but no-one knows if he
> survived
> the ditching or not...
> That's the problem with intelligence. It's very handy to have but it's
> not balanced unless there are ethics, common decency and a sense or
> right and wrong wrapped up with it. Without those we create monsters.
> bones
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Berry
> Sent: 05 December 2006 18:25
> To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: IFC
> Students... think they know everything! With conversations rarely
> altering from beer and more beer
> As a bus driver, I am quite happy to have a conversation with anyone
> who talks to me - the only thing we ask in that is that you do stay
> behind us (you wouldn't believe the number of people who don't realise
> that standing at the side of you means you can't see that all
> important left
> mirror!)
> As for class these days - it is a different sort of class, rather than
> Lower, Middle, Working Middle and Upper, people seem to be split into
> 2 simple classes - those with money, and those without it. And
> unfortunately, as a bus driver, we are generally considered by people
> to be scum who are out to ruin everyones day by making them stand
> there for hours waiting for another bus to turn up... Last wednesday,
> upon leaving Derby, I had to pick up a rather large number of Derby
> County FC supporters, there were around 45-50 of them, along with
> about 20 others
> - hence basically filling the 72 person bus and making me approximately
> 10 minutes late. After driving about 5 minutes down the road, I was
> still really busy and slightly later (around 12-13 minutes), when I
> pulled up at a stop to pick up a gentleman who I guess was in his late
> 40's / early 50's. A person who in the day I would of driven past
> because my bus was basically full, but instead of making him wait half
> an hour for the next one, I decided to stop. As soon as I open the
> doors, Derby supporters practically falling out because there's no room,
> he pipes up 'Why are you so f'ing late? Traffic jam or just finishing
> your coffee?' - now I'm pretty sure that he could see the full bus, and
> the GPS tracking system installed at that bus stop has kept him informed
> of exactly how long I was going to be so I decided it was necessary to
> reply 'I finished my coffee and loved every drop of it' and immediately
> closed the doors and drove off without picking him up.
> I don't really understand why people feel they are better than others,
> because to be honest, there are very few people who deserve to
> consider themselves as 'superior' beings (I'm talking doctors,
> firefighters, nurses (as I'm told by my fiancee) etc - people who make
> a real
> difference) and these people generally (I know some are idiots) are just
> like you and me (not you Alex, students are defenitely inferior beings
> :P). And generally, it tends to be those who have worked hard for their
> money and only gotten to where they are by taking the initiative and
> working (not those who win the lottery or something like that).
> As mentioined by Alex, accent can play a big role in how people view
> you
> - I have an accent that is local to Nottinghamshire, however if I was
> overheard having a conversation with somebody with perhaps a strong
> Brummy accent, many people would instantly expect me to be the more
> intelligent of the two simply based on accent. (Yes before anyone says
> it, they obviously don't know me!)
> The other thing I've noticed at my work is ageism - if somebody wants
> to find information about a bus and there is me and an older driver,
> people will always ask him first, as they assume they will know more
> and be more experienced, where as frequently, I'm the one who knows
> the answer as I've been in the job nearly 3 years compared to 3 months
> with a lot of our older drivers (we've had a large surge of them
> recently)
> Andy

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