In a message dated 15/10/2006 07:14:03 GMT Daylight Time, bones@xxxxxxx writes: I honestly think it looks even more toy townish than FS9 default scenery did. Looks like they still have problems with tile elevations, the default texture is blurred as can be and this makes the autogen look false. I'd be interested in seeing the new Horizon photo scenery if anyone has got this yet - and whether it fills the holes in at Teesside and Humber. That's assuming a decent mesh is provided with the product. I'll be looking closely at Avsim to find out whether the flight performance has been degraded again. bones On my first attempts with FSX I've noticed more "sticky-ups", Oxford has some colleges and London looks to have more buildings than before, also flying over Oxford the autogen buildings seemed more dense, looked more like a town. Frame rates on my 3 Gig machine seem to be hovering around 13, which is fairly jerky, at the installed default settings. I guess some experimentation is called for here to get the optimum. A more powerful machine is called for when Vista and DX10 arrive next year. I'm tempted to invest in the Horizon scenery but I haven't ordered it yet, I'd like to get more pilot friendly frame rates first. Frank T.