In a message dated 23/11/2006 14:45:49 GMT Standard Time, paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: For me, I admire Frank T, Gerry, Peter etc. I'll happily let you be the beta testers and I'll probably reap the rewards when I eventually take the plunge. In doing so I'll no doubt get a cleaner install and, hopefully, a better experience "out of the box". Keep up the good work lads! Paul I guess I'm old and cynical, but I never expect anything to work properly these days, quality doesn't mean much to the marketing men I'm afraid. I have bought this stuff early because I'm stupid, not intrepid. I'm stupid because I'm overfond of this hobby. Anyway, I fully expect the issues to be resolved in due course, and I'm quite capable of downloading and installing patches. In spite of the quality issues I just compare the current scenery with those little pyramids we saw in the early versions, and I appreciate how far we've come in what, 25 years. If you want a nice clean and perfect product you are quite right to wait Paul; I've looked on my FSX experiences so far as part of the fun, not something to complain about. Frank T.