[jhb_airlines] Re: FPI update

  • From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:37:00 +0100

I'm sure that any approach from JHB would be listened to but we also have to
show support from the UK ATC community too - showing there is a core of both
pilots and controllers still keen on using the software. I think Alex is
right and that we need a temporary group name to use when discussing matters
with FPI. This group would comprise of ex FPI users from the UK such as JHB
(for the pilots) and maybe UKVCA for the controllers.
Our basic requirement would be to seek approval from FPI to use their
software to maintain UK operations - the regulation and organisation of
these operations now falling upon us to maintain. We would also need
approval to encompass further activity outside the UK should there be any
interest shown - such as from Peter in Amsterdam.
To be honest, if FPI gave us the server software to use and we had the
facilities to run this, I guess we then become the responsible party for the
whole system operation. We would have to consider that other ex FPI members
may wish to join us and, should FPI grant this, have some system in place
for registration and password issue. It really would all hinge on whether
FPI allowed us "open" use of the software or whether we kept it as a private
server amongst friends.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex - Reheat.org
Sent: 27 August 2006 22:16
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI update

I would suggest then, what we do is collectively come up with a group name
(keep it non region specific?) and a short project proposal (no more than 4
pages) to submit to Stefan about setting up a small community based
organisation built on ATC services for Pilots (and vice versa) etc etc. 

I'm willing to do the majority of the admin etc if you clever people can
come up with the thoughts to feed it! 


Paul wrote: 

I think anything coming from JHB would automatically receive support.  Yhey
are well aware of the loyalty shown over the last two years and would
welcome us continueing albeit with smaller ambitions than FPI.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex - Reheat.org
Sent: 27 August 2006 21:50
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI update


Very encouraging, I had heard rumors that others were sniffing around our
software.... however How do we make sure we are in the best possible
position to receive it is the question? 

Any ideas on tactics? Form?


Paul wrote: 

As you are aware, and have hinted at on this froum, there are on-going
discussions between Stefan and Ralph and third parties.  John Hill Peter B
and I were on with Stefan and Ralph earlier and he expanded upon their
ideas.  I have been asked not to go into specific detail with others but I
believe both Alan Sutherland and yourself have been made aware of their
ideas.  In my discussions with Stefan, both by PM and voice, I have asked
that the software not be allowed to fall by the wayside.  In this respect
Stefan has stated that VATSim had asked for the ICP client but he has turned
them down.  He would also not pass on the software to IVAO either.  Should
the planned venture not come to fruition, then Stefan has said he would like
the software to be in use on a small, friendly community based network
rather than the "numbers are everything" networks such as VATSim or IVAO if
one can be established.  The gist of this is that if something can be set
up, I think stefan would be happy to release the software for use.  I'm sure
he would want safeguards against it being passed on but I'm sure that can be

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex - Reheat.org
Sent: 27 August 2006 21:29
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI update


Yes..... Those kinds of comments from Ralph always worry me! 

The problem being is that FPI still has the money, it doesn't, however, have
the know-how any longer. 

Ralph, dare I say it, is pretty damn good at running servers and knows the
FPI structure like no other server admin knows their servers. Should he
decide to do a go slow or not get involved in this newest incarnation then I
worry that it won't go far at all.

Now, I have managed to get a modified version of the FSD server from a
friend, however, it is based around the "Gentoo" Linux distro which has to
go through "portage" and then be "emerged"...... excellent! 
Currently trying to load Gentoo onto my server, however I don't have a
dedicated IP here anymore. I have just filled in the "request" form from my
ISP and it takes about 20 days for one to be allocated. Anyone got a server
that we could have a play with in that time? 

Hopefully when FPI(v.2) comes out of the woodwork we will be able to offer
my server to them to use as a voice and traffic mirror in the UK. Get the
software on it and then do as we wish with it. 

Anyway, whatever happens, I'm sure we can get some sort of little community
out of it. As long as there are enough of us willing! 


Bones wrote: 

The only worrying comment from Ralph was when Paul asked if the sentence in
the forum post about future plans could be elaborated on - to which he said
"Don't hold your breath".
Alan and Andy are now added to this list and should receive this post. I'm
more than happy to host discussion about future online ideas for now - at
least it ensures we all stay in touch. Should anything evolve from our group
then, obviously, it would develop it's own web site and forum with
interested JHB members subscribing to that.
Peter was in the final stages of creating a Dutch set of pages for FPI so he
was rather upset at the news. For now I've suggested he hang on to them as
they may still be useful.
In the short term we may have access to FPI possibly until Wednesday on the server. After that we enter a period of uncertainty with no
firm ATC service except for those that may wish to explore VATSIM/IVAO - or
revert to basic MP sessions on Rory's server. We can't really talk about
firm plans for the future until FPI confirm what their intentions are.
I used to run my own JHB sessions using an FSD server with Pro Controller
and pilots on SB2. This no longer works but may something will arrive that
may tap into SB3 and ASRC/AVC. Of the latter I prefer AVC but it's a heavily
US based display. The FPI radar was more like what I am used to in real

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