[jhb_airlines] Re: FPI Demise

  • From: "Paul" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:57:24 +0100

Here you are on dodgy ground. Where loss occurs at the hands of another,
then they should remedy their error.  They have your property, namely the
sticker with the access key.  Proving this is the difficult part.

When you purchased the original package it included the key and therefore it
is your responsibility to ensure the safe keeping of both the original disk
and the product key. Any loss is not the responsibility of the software
supplier though most reputable companies would look to see if you have
registered the product with them and may then re-issue a key.  It's one way
they encourage brand loyalty through good after sales service and is really
the only benefit you get for giving them the right to put you on their
mailshot target lists <g>.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 24 August 2006 17:11
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI Demise

I've got a problem with Photoshop Elements. My son bought it for me, for
Xmas; price around £80. I took the disk away on holiday. When I came to
install it I was asked for the Key number from the package. When I got
back the package had been binned. I now have an £80 piece of software I
can't use.
When last I had this PC upgraded the shop lost the Camedia software's
sticker, with Key number on. So couldn't re install the software.
Olympus refused to consider any of my suggestions about how they might
verify the CD, if I returned it, then supply me with a new Key number.
The response was that I would have to purchase the software again. Annoying
where the customer has to suffer where the vendor is trying to
prevent a potential loss to himself

Gerry Winskill

Paul wrote:

> When you purchased the Windows 2003 server edition, you also by law
> purchased all the rights to it's proper use which means you should be
> able to get the key from Microsoft provided the copy purchased is
> genuine.  If it is not, then the product is not fit for purpose and
> you are entitled to a full refund on your purchase.
> I was left with a real headache where I volunteer, a fault on a
> network running on a Windows 2003 Server. I needed the installation
> disks but these had been taken by an ex-volunteer.  We could not prove
> he had them so could not involve the police.  In the end I had to
> remove the drives, back up key data using a stand alone pc, format out
> all 4 netwrked machines using brand new XP disks then restore key
> data.  It was a nightmare, took best part of a week to do.
> Paul
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Alex Barrett
>     *Sent:* 24 August 2006 11:33
>     *To:* jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     *Subject:* [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI Demise
>     Frank,
>     It is very simple, the FPI network was paid for and developed
>     entirely by the providers and the staff. Running costs for the
>     servers were met by Stefan (1/3) and Ralph (2/3) Software
>     development was all done by Stefan.
>     The rest, such as R&D work, prizes for competitions, webspace,
>     domain names, copywrite registering, purchase of model rights for
>     ATOC and anything else was all paid for by the providers and in
>     case of anything specifically UK related by myself. I also
>     sponsored many of the competition prizes and helped fund the
>     webspace costs. Some reps in the past also contributed although
>     less recently.
>     Why do people do it? well thats the most simple bit of all, its
>     the same reason a freeware modeller will model for 4,000 hours and
>     let people download their work. They want to give something back
>     to the community that they themselves enjoy, they want to see
>     people having fun.
>     You have said yourself that you have had many tens (perhaps
>     hundreds) of hours fun on FPI. For my investment, just hearing
>     that one person has appreciated it, has made it all worth while!
>     I am looking, over the next week or so, at setting up a dedicated
>     line server with the FSINN server running on it to see how that
>     works. If anyone is up for some testing then let me know!
>     Which reminds me, does anyone know where I can get a decent Server
>     Operating system cheapish? I have a copy of Windows 2003 server
>     which I bought off eBay (I know!!, I know...) and It worked for a
>     while then I had to do a fresh install and now it is saying the
>     key isn't valid.
>     Alex
>     Regards,
>     Alex
>     ----------------------------------
>     Alex Barrett
>     FPI - UK & Ireland President
>     UKI-CP@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     ----------------------------------
>     -----Original message-----
>     From: FrankTurley@xxxxxxx
>     Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:14:39 +0200
>     To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI Demise
>         I have been rather mystified over the demise of FPI.
>         I can understand Rory providing the Shetland Flyer for free,
>         after all he is a fellow enthusiast, and I suspect also has a
>         professional interest.
>         I can understand commercially supported sites, where
>         advertising for flight sim products appears, or there is a
>         commercial link, eg the Visual Flight forums.
>         What escapes me is the logic behind the provision of FPI. I
>         have been a member for some time now, but I don't have a clue
>         who provided and paid for this service, or what they were
>         seeking. I would like to say thank you to them for doing what
>         they did, even if sadly it has come to an end.
>         Perhaps someone out there can enlighten me?
>         Frank T.

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