[jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

  • From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:46:04 +0100

I'm not sure I got much lag at all as the radar tied up quite nicely as
pilots reported vacating the runway. I had no trouble with handovers either
but I know Anthony and Alex did.

Still good fun though.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 06 October 2005 08:21
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

Going around was good experience, apart from my not knowing whether to
call "Missed approach" or "Going around". Fortunately I usually reset
heading and altimeter bugs, once the ILS is captured, just in case. It was
made a bit difficult by the fact that, as with the other ATC
positions, I seemed to be not receiving the middle figure of each
requested heading, yet the sound wasn't distorted.

Apart from the quantity, plus not getting us handed over with
respectable separation, I'm sure that server lag must have been
compounding the problem. Also the volume of voice traffic. I'd have been
able to establish voice contact earlier but for the absence of gaps into
which I could jump. Another oddity last night, on my system, was the
fact that every time I double clicked on an ATC position, it then
switched to the position immediately below. I should have used the GF
kit but FPI hasn't been accepting its input on all flights, recently.
Server lag was horrendous but in a very odd way. At Aldergrove,
Anthony's instructions indicated he wasn't suffering from it. In my
case, I had doubts about being turned onto finals ahead of Alastair. He
then announced he was on the blocks and leaving the system. When I
taxied in he was still showing up behind me, both on the screen tags and
using FSNav as TCAS. The latter produced a dramatic density on
approaching Ronaldsway. It was equally dramatic as Mike and I closed,
with only 500' separation, during my Aldergrove to Leeds sector. When I
looked out the window it looked more like 5'!!!
Very enjoyable evening.

Gerry Winskill

Bones wrote:

>I thought it quite a  good night last night with just a few niggles to
>take the edge off for some people. Not sure if this was just Ronaldsway
>or problems existed elsewhere! <g>
>Steve had a lockup just as his wheels got about an inch from the runway
>on touchdown - probably the most frustrating point of any flight to
>have FS bomb on you. Mike got a similar hang up just as he vacated the
>runway. I know Alex had severe lag on his PC about 45min into the
>session which put aircraft well behind their real positions - and could
>possibly account for the slight voice problems he was having.
>Despite all this I felt it was a good evening with Dave's idea of a set
>of in line airfields really cramming the aircraft along one route. The
>light winds at Ronaldsway also helped as it meant both 08 and 26 could
>be used to expedite the traffic.
>The sudden flurry of arrivals at EGNS was very good - and it would have
>been nice to get everyone down first time around but that was not to
>be. Normally we get aircraft from Manchester quite early because it is
>only 8nm from VANIN to 26 approach - not much room to play with. I got
>everyone a bit later than I had hoped and so it was hard work for a
>short while, especially with two fast aircraft catching up two slow
>ones. It would have worked well too - if only I had remembered to drop
>JHB068 from FL50 to 3000ft for the ILS. Apologies to Gerry therefore as
>he had no chance to capture the ILS and, rightly, called a missed
>approach. I was annoyed about that.
>It's odd but this is a purely FPI situation that would not happen in
>real life. Inbounds to VANIN are normally dropped to FL50 and handed
>over to EGNS about ten miles to run. Manchester know this as it's part
>of the rules - aircraft having just 8nm to get from FL50 to 3000ft to
>pick up the ILS. I got the aircraft later than expected and was trying
>my best not to give anyone a hold - but it rather unravelled on me..
>Again only a few non JHB aircraft were present - we seem to have lost
>our friends at EuroFly and German Airwings who really made the sessions
>a lot more interesting.

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