[jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

  • From: "ERNIE LAYCOCK" <ernie.laycock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:53:40 -0700

Hi John,
No,I get the Cessna,and then the jets,but no Baron or King Air.I am still puzzled (but that's nothing fresh is it ?)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

When you fill in your flight plan Ernie do you only get the Cessna in the
flight plan drop down box?

There should normally be a few other basic aircraft in the list - the Baron
gets listed as FlightProject, Raytheon Baron or something similar..


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ERNIE LAYCOCK
Sent: 26 August 2005 04:35
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

Hi John,
All these FPI messages flying about,and none of them tell me what I want to
know -- How do I put (eg Baron) into the ATOC aircraft list.I would like to
also include the other Beechcraft models as well.Any ideas anybody ? Ernie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bones" <bones@xxxxxxx> To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

That is logical.. Now see if the following makes sense..

When your data stream goes to FPI it includes your flight plan
aircraft type. It therefore goes without saying that if you connect to
ATC OK and they see you on radar then the rest of your data is going
out OK - your aircraft type just being a small packet of info from the
flight plan.

Not seeing other aircraft visually is therefore a problem at the
receiving end. The data coming in isn't being translated to a visual
target in FS2004. Frank's email shows one possible reason - firewall
not open for the 15400 port - but that, and all other firewall
problems, will result in no aircraft
on your tube at all. The same might happen with setup problems.

I think I have found a reason why pilots may get a random showing of
other ATOC aircraft. In fact it isn't random but limited to specific
flight plan aircraft (like the F100). This apparent random showing
isn't related to ATOC or firewalls but can be the result of using an
Aircraft Manager like AAM or
JAB2000. I'll explain..

Some managers are rather too intelligent and they look for faults in
each aircraft folder. They read the aircraft.cfg file and check to see
if the panel, sound, model and .air files are present. If they are not
- or the data specified in the cfg files is wrong (such as the panel
being aliased to one you don't have on your computer) - then the
manager will warn you. It may also disable the aircraft from showing
in FS because these errors can lead to lockups.

JAB2000 does this by stripping out the bad [FLTSIM] sections from the
aircraft.cfg file and it puts these in a file with a .OUT suffix. The
problem is that you sometimes don't see the warnings and the aircraft
will be disabled without you knowing. Other aircraft managers may do
the same.

I ran a check on all the ATOC aircraft last night and every single one
failed in JAB2000 - and they all got disabled. For most it was simply
because the ATOC aircraft don't have a panel folder. Sensible enough
as AI aircraft don't need panels but an aircraft manager doesn't know
that. Simple solution here is to find a panel folder with just a
panel.cfg file in it aliasing the panel to the default 182 or 737.
Copy this to all the ATOC aircraft and that problem is solved. Except
there were further errors:

1. Some ATOC aircraft are missing a Sound folder too. The cure is as
missing panels.
2. Some ATOC aircraft have sound.cfg files and panel.cfg files aliasing to
aircraft that I doubt anyone will have on their systems. The DHC6 and the
F70/100 aircraft had these faults.
3. Some ATOC aircraft have the wrong .air file or the wrong info in the
sim=atoc_a320 line. An example of this is the ATOC B734 where the
aircraft.cfg file is correct for most aircraft in the file (showing
sim=atoc_b734) but, inexplicably, has:

title=ATOC B733 BER

instead of

title=ATOC B734 BER

4. Some aircraft simply have the wrong info in the aircraft.cfg file.

Most of the errors are typos and will be trapped by an Aircraft
Manager. Even if you don't use a manager the errors are such that some
of the ATOC aircraft will never show in FS at all. You would find out
pretty rapidly if you tried to load them but as we don't fly AI
aircraft the errors remain forever hidden.

The solution is pretty simple. If you use an AM then check all the
ATOC aircraft and correct the faults it throws up. If you don't have a
manager then it would be a pain to go through all the aircraft
manually. Here I'd suggest you just keep an eye out for other aircraft
in FPI and if you see (or rather you don't see) that a visual aircraft
is showing up then check with that pilot to see what aircraft be has
selected for his flight plan. You can then go to your aircraft folder
and check the data in it.

The real headache is that if you ever have to reinstall ATOC - or they
update their packages - then you have to go through this all over
again.. The next time I have to do it I'll make a more specific note
of the aircraft and the faults in each..


-----Original Message----- From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Lucas Sent: 25 August 2005 09:44 To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: FPI

I should have added that I also get a FS ident for the "missing" aircraft in top-down view even though the aircraft is invisible in other views (eg. spot, cockpit). This happened a few weeks ago when I was one of several a/c queueing for departure and Alastair (JHB180) was invisible to me but I watched him take off in top-down and TCAS. I could see all the other a/c.

Mike L

Mike Lucas wrote:

Only very occasionally do I fail to see another aircraft during an
ATOC session, and when this happens it appears to be only one
aircraft - others are there OK.  What puzzles me when this happens is
that I still get the TCAS echo for the "missing" a/c.

Mike L

Bones wrote:

Can I ask which pilots never see other aircraft in ATOC sessions?



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