[jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400

  • From: "Franklyn Fisher" <ff006c5886@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:29:53 -0000

Thanks Gerry

Will have another go, have been progressingly reducing the figures to find the right combination.

As far as fuel calcs go, it is a black art to me.

I just fly a route, note how much is used, then apply that the next time, or just wing it.

But it is that 10% nose up that worries me, or is it normal?? What flights I have done, had no problems walking up and down the aisle.

Frank F

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Winskill" <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400

If it's the Default B747-400, then I've used that for several TransAtlantic flight without any problems. I climbed with selected speeds and kept rate of climb to no more than 1500 fpm, initially. Nearing the end of the first step I had to reduce to 1000 fpm. The other thing that helps is not to carry significantly more fuel than you should. I do the fuel calcs, having calibrated fuel consumption in various flight phases. Don't use the FSC fuel calc, it's absolute rubbish and leaves you seriously short of sustenance.

Gerry Winskill

Franklyn Fisher wrote:


Rated cruise FL340 at 400kts

TO speed 160. vsi1800
Climbspeed 250 to10000 VSI 1800
FL100-FL200 VSI 1500 speed 280
FL200-FL300 VSI 1200 reducing to 1000.

The 10% noseup is at all flightlevels and speeds.

Have tried altering the C of G and passenger load, with no success.

TO has to be manual to hold max 10% climb rate with 20 flaps.

Auto pilot heading and climb hold is engaged above 1000 and gear retracted, flaps retracted above 5000, this to hold a stable climb.

After turn to WP, FSC engaged. (with all other AC, I can engage full auto, from liftoff, with no problems)

As I approach FL300 and and before starting to increase speed to cruise, it then starts to go into a noseup stall very rapidly. And it is then uncontrolable. Time to cruise level, approx 30 minutes.

Will have a go with the other Boeing to see if it is the same, no problem witht the other default aircraft .

I only have default AC, so cannot use another long range craft.

I suppose I should purchase a PMDG craft for the job.

Frank F

----- Original Message ----- From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400

It sounds like you are flying too slowly and getting on the back of the drag
curve. What sort of speed are you using for the climb?

Also make sure you don't set a specific rate of climb for any jet. It's fine setting 1800fpm at sea level but if the autopilot is trying to maintain that
rate of climb at higher levels it can only do so by losing airspeed. The
autopilot should be set to maintain a speed value instead - which it will
maintain as you get higher by automatically reducing the rate of climb.

This is the trouble with autopilots - you can direct them to do the wrong thing very easily. In FS4 we had no option with the climb - if you dialled in a height and speed it would always give priority to rate of climb. The result was that the higher you got the more the aircraft lost speed until it
eventually stalled. Later sim versions were more intelligent and rate of
climb is no longer the default value driving the aircraft - but you can
still set the aircraft to do this.

The 747 should be able to climb up to FL310 without any problem but if heavy with fuel it may need to fly for an hour or so before stepping up the FL350
and (eventually) FL390.


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of franklyn fisher
Sent: 08 December 2007 15:23
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] B747-400

Help please

I am trying to set up a trans-atlantic flight using the default B747-400

After numerous takeoffs, I have found the way to do a smooth takeoff and
climb, before engaging FSC.

However, dispite modding the config file, am unable the get the AC to cruise

at less than 10% nose up.

Have found that stepping up to cruise (with a step down in the VSI) is
required. But once at FL300, any futher increase to the stated cruise,
results in the nose going up, speed rapidly dropping to zero, and am on the
deck in seconds.

Very frustating.

The CRJ700 wont make the trip in one, without midair refuel..

Either I am not doing something right, or M$ has not done their homework.
this is supposed to be their own tried and tested.

Frank F

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