[jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400

  • From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:28:20 -0000

Most Regional airports have been charging this for a while - but only for
instrument approaches. If the pilot lands and rolls it's a full charge and
if he goes around it's 50% off. I've not heard of it coming in for all
approaches but I can see the twisted logic of this.

At the moment a light aircraft could bash the circuit for an hour or two and
if he goes around each time there is nothing to pay. Fine enough at a quiet
airfield but if he's being threaded in amongst many schedules then it can
get a bit selfish. As a pilot I know I would not like this charge but as a
passenger on a schedule who finds out that a 10min delay was caused by a
couple of circuit bashers then I could see some complaints going in.

Going back to the 747 I remember my first flight in the PS1-747 simulator -
really ahead of its time when we were playing with FS98. The full systems of
the 747 were modelled in the sim and interactive. It took me almost 30
minutes just to get the engines fired up! The nearest aircraft to it in FS98
was the Dash 8 cockpit by Olav Frelov - that was also a checklist mandatory
aircraft. Anyone remember it?


-----Original Message-----
From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 11 December 2007 16:56
To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400


With some FS aircraft an upward trim of 20% is about the minimum that
will get you off the ground. Too much is better than too little. Better
to be clear of the ground and pushing the stick forward to arrest a too
high climb rate, than ploughing across the countryside.

The way to get the max satisfaction is to reduce the aircraft you use to
a minimum. Then spend hours learning to fly each one of them
satisfactorilly. Make a note of the settings that work and the V
numbers. For instance, I made myself a gauge that gives percent throttle
opening, so that I can disengage Autothrottle, on heavies, on finals and
not have it trying to land at stupidly high speeds; or stalling! Some
LCD paneld display info it's all too easy not to spot. Trim is a good
example. Once you know what gets you airborne, by trial and error, you
can set the required trim value before you leave the stand.

There's loads of stuff you only learn by test flying and practicing. If
a long flight is tried in a new aircraft, before thorough
familiarisation, then the outcome is fairly predictable and the flight
turns into something that is a big let down. That's why real world
pilots can't do it.

 To get the most out of thid hobby I find I have to be self critical all
of the time, as I am when driving. If I don't go through a bend smoothly
I am distinctly dischuffed, same thing in FSX. If I try to land at a
farm and have come over the fence 10 knots higher than I should I know
that in real life I'd have finished up in the hedge. I'd have wasted the
entire flight time. So, if I'm not sure, I always go round. If Fsim is
to be a hobby and not just an arcade game, then practicing to improve is
pretty much unavoidable.

Speaking of which there's a GA storm about to blow up over the practice
some commercial airfields are sliding in, of charging half a landing fee
for any go around. The IPAO, or whatever, are pointing out that the
decision to go around if everything about a landing isn't spot on, is
solely the pilots prerogative. In effect they say that if a pilot
crashes because he has avoided costs by abandoning the landing, then the
blame may be laid at the door of the airfield that's instituted the
disincentive to fly safely.

Gerry Winskill

bones wrote:

>Sounds like you still have the trim set wrong.
>If you say you are hauling back on the stick and nothing happens then
>you are out of trim range. As I said earlier the elevators in a jet
>only work over a narrow range and are totally ineffective if the trim
>isn't set correctly. Get the trim right and the aircraft should fly off
>the ground with the gentlest of stick pressure as you rotate to the
>correct 15 degree pitch.
>Isn't there a tutorial on flying the 747 in FSX?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of franklyn fisher
>Sent: 10 December 2007 22:29
>To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jhb_airlines] Re: B747-400
>Thanx, took a while, but eventually found it.
>Numerous trial takeoffs establised the correct trim/VSI/flaps, and when
>to hit the AP button. Haulling back on the stick, has no effect. And
>when it did, took off like a rocket and stalled out. Hence the auto
>take off..
>Now trying to emulate in the A380. And trying to get to grips with the

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