[jhb_airlines] Re: Article finished.

  • From: gwinsk@xxxxxxx
  • To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:18:37 -0000

Moving towards, at least attempting to, real life IFR & ATC proceedures should 
lead me 
inexorably towards the PDMG type of systems based panel / aircraft 
There are two flies in the ointment. Grey cell fatigue could be overcome; 
eventually. The 
real "Systems" showstopper is being accustomed to using the GoFlight kit. From 
attempts I've made with the ERJ145, it seems that the systems are so integrated 
they resist GF use. The same integration usually defeats my attempts at panel 
mods. I'm 
loth to go back to mouse clicking, having become used to the greater realism 
by GF use. 
 Pity really.

Gerry Winskill

On 17 Nov 2004 at 0:50, Bones wrote:

> It is fairly true to say that if you want to move up to serious =
> machinery the choice of jets is immaterial because most of them are
> now fitted = with similar nav kit.=20
> Everything from the CRJ to the 747 has FMS so, if you do move upwards,
> = it isn't the navigation bit that will determine your choice. I
> suppose it = is the complexity of the rest of the systems that will be
> the decider.
> I would guess that there are three fairly distinct "layers" in FS =
> aircraft.
> First is the default aircraft with functional though limited panels
> and hardly any other systems. Many freeware models fall into this
> category = too.
> Second is the above aircraft coupled to a more complex panel such as
> Matthias Lieberecht's 146 and Jetstream - see
> http://www.baepanelproject.com/. These panels are back to the concept
> started by Paul Golding (MD80) and Eric Ernst (B757) in FS98 which =
> combine enhanced instrumentation and navigation kit with additional
> aircraft = systems functionality. They are darned good but will take
> you back to ground = school - the Jetstream Manual is 120 pages long.
> The third stage is a complete aircraft package where the aircraft and
> = its panel/systems have been integrated from the start. The PMDG 737
> is = perhaps the best known example of this. Here you start from
> scratch again and = really need to follow the included tutorials.
> Think of it as being at a real aircraft conversion course.
> Wherever you start consider that moving up is a continuing learning =
> curve. Even at the bottom rung of the ladder the panel layout will be
> different = to what you normally use and it will take time to settle
> down to the new layout. One word of advice though - don't download
> half a dozen machines with different panels and try to fly them all.
> That just becomes plain confusing because you remember mouse clicks or
> procedures for one and = forget what they are for another. Start off
> with one aircraft and fly it for a little while. If you like the panel
> stick with it but if you find it = hard to get along with try
> something else. I can't fly at all with the default = B777 panel
> because I can never find half the knobs and taps - many major = items
> are hidden away in pop up panels.
> Herein lies the crux of the matter. The more complex the aircraft =
> becomes the more you have to fly it and ignore other goodies on your
> system. The bonus is that you gain valuable insight into how a real
> aircraft works = and your flying (and thinking) become closer to your
> real world = counterparts. Which is why Gerry keeps asking such
> complex questions - needing longer = and longer tutorials to explain!
> <vbg>
> bones
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Brook
> Sent: 16 November 2004 15:51 To: jhb_airlines@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject:
> [jhb_airlines] Re: Article finished.
> Bones -
> Thank you so much!  I'm now resolved to upgrade from my PA-28 to some
> = form of 'big iron' so that I can learn how to apply the info in your
> article = and start playing with the big boys.  This may take some
> time...  As always, = you are an inspiration, many of us have learned
> such a lot from you over the years - long may you continue!
> Best wishes
> MikeB
> JHB193
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > [mailto:jhb_airlines-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bones
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:16 PM
> > To: JHB Email List
> > Subject: [jhb_airlines] Article finished.
> >
> >
> > I've finished the article that was started in response to
> > one of Gerry's
> > questions last week. You can find in in my ATC pages or
> > just go straight to
> > the page from http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/MP/ATC1.htm
> >
> > I'm tempted to run it past one of our 146 pilots but I
> > fear that the full
> > description of flight management would fill a lot more
> > pages and become a
> > bit too much too follow. I think I'll leave it as it is
> > for now and develop
> > it only if feedback suggest it is worth filling in with
> > more detail..
> >
> > HC@xxxxxxxxxx
> > http://fsaviation.net
> >
> >
> >

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