I would like to weigh in upon this topic. I know it is important to, whenever possible find information for ourselves. However, that being said, there are some folks who must pay by the length of use for their Internet service. Though am not one of them, I know several who find themselves thus hampered. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: RE: update for jaws Gary, This is a nice summary. However, my purpose in posting was different from what you inferred. I was only trying to suggest to another lister why it was good, on the one hand, to post the current release's enhancements while, on the other,urging him not to criticize another lister for having told the person with the original inquiry to go find it for herself. I myself have no real difficulty navigating the FS site, but I can understand that it can be frustrating. but most of all, I didn't want to let a criticism of a great contributor to the list go unchallenged. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary King Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:33 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: update for jaws Adrian, While it may be true that the Freedom Scientific web page is difficult to navigate for some folks, they won't ever learn how to navigate it if they don't try and keep trying. In the case of JAWS updates, the information about the new features and enhancements is pretty easy to find. If the Freedom Scientific web site is not bookmarked, just go to www.freedomscientific.com or www.hj.com (the old Henter-Joyce URL still works). Use Control+f to search for the word update. If there is only one instance of the word update on the page, press Enter on the link, otherwise repeat the search with F3. My JFW 11 then takes me directly to the Main Landmark on the Update page. If yours doesn't, use semicolon to navigate to it. You can also use semicolon or Shift+Semicolon to navigate to other landmarks on the page. You will see that these landmarks take you directly to the information you need. Reading down from the Main Landmark, you can also use the links to take you to the enhancements in the latest release or to the downloads section of the page. If these techniques are not familiar, it may be helpful to visit the Training page on the Freedom Scientific site and take the time to go through the Surf's Up Training pages. I'm not sure if landmarks are covered in Surf's Up or not since they are fairly new. Freedom Scientific has its faults, as we all know, but one thing I have always thought they do well is to provide good training for their products. If you don't know how to perform a task with JAWS, chances are that there is a training module, podcast or JAWS Help topic that will teach you how to do it. Gary King w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:55 AM Subject: RE: update for jaws I agree with you, Bill. The FS website isn't as simple to navigate as it ought to be, one reason I appreciated you're going to the trouble of saving many of us from replicating what you did. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:40 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: update for jaws Hi, Adrian. I saw the first post. I've also gone to the Freedom Scientific site many times. Until recently, I couldn't get the link to work that was supposed to give the enhancements only for the current release. Once I figured out that I had to click the link, then sometimes to refresh the screen, I was OK. But I've had many people tell me that it was difficult to find this link. Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:15 PM Subject: RE: update for jaws Bill, I thought your earlier posting was thoughtful, but this is unfair to Dave. First, he did tell the lister how to fish: go to the website whose address we all know by heart to get the answer, which is easy to find there. Perhaps in this case it might have been wiser not to post at all, but he was doing exactly what a good teacher often will do. The second point is that Dave has been one of the most informative contributors to the list for some time. He's taught a lot of us to fish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:33 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: update for jaws Yeah, Dave, but you didn't teach anyone to fish. You only told them to go fishing. There's a big difference between the two. Until you learn that, you'll never teach anyone to fish. Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Carlson To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: update for jaws Nope. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and he feeds himself for life. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:46 Subject: RE: update for jaws Thank you Bill for going through the trouble of retrieving that information. Yes, the info is available on FS's site, but why some people find it necessary to reply to a request simply to say, "go get it yourself", is just plain rood! Why waste the time if they're not actually going to help? Maybe that response will be forthcoming when they ask for help. We'll see. DJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:24 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: update for jaws Enhancements in JAWS 11.0.1461 (June 2010) The following is a list of items addressed or added between the final JAWS 11.0.1447 release and the JAWS 11.0.1461 posting. All enhancements since the initial public beta release are included in this release. JAWS Resolved an issue where letters were lost when using Typing Mode with a Focus braille display. Resolved a customer reported issue where JAWS was announcing large negative values in combo boxes. JAWS no longer duplicates information that is typed into form edit fields. Resolved issues and improved performance with the Convert Currency and MLB Scores lookup sources in Research It. Word and Outlook Addressed an issue reported by The Lighthouse of Houston related to the spell checker not working as expected when using a third party add-in with Word. When in a table in a Word document, the INSERT+TAB keystroke correctly announces the cell content along with column and row title. The default setting for graphics detection in all versions of Word and Outlook 2007 or later is set to Labeled by default. This means that JAWS announces alt text (if available) and image dimensions. Resolved an issue where tutor messages were spoken before relevant information when using the ARROW Keys to read the next line or previous line in an Outlook 2010 e-mail message. This fix also resolves an issue where tutor messages were spoken with each press of an ARROW Key when moving through a message folder. JAWS no longer announces an unknown function call error when Outlook 2003 is configured to request a user name and password before launching. Lotus Notes Resolved two issues with Lotus Notes®. JAWS now announces labels for the date and time fields in a calendar entry. Also, the ALT+DOWN ARROW keystroke now opens the combo box for date and time fields. Resolved an issue with Lotus® Sametime® software where JAWS was not reading chat history when using the ARROW Keys. The Lotus Notes topic in the JAWS help file has been updated to include the latest application functionality and keystrokes. I hope this helps you, Laura. Have a wonderful day! Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: larelishumate@xxxxxxx To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: update for jaws I wonder what kinds of updates were made? Laura Shumate In a message dated 6/30/2010 10:02:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Don't feel bad I didn't get any changes after updating to eleven dot zero dot one four six one either. But then I'm grateful that there also appear to be no new bugs (yet). Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 20:27 Subject: RE: update for jaws Updated this morning from the website. Am having the same old Outlook issues as before. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:31 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: update for jaws I just happened to check for updates yesterday evening as I try to do it once a week at least and got the update. I don't know what they updated, when I went to the website that page had not been updated. Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:53 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: update for jaws This is true. I stumbled upon it while conducting some Jaws repairs last night. It is version 11.0.461. I have no idea how well it works or not since I've only had it going for about six hours and slept through most of that time, it being morning here it hot sunny old Texas. HOpe I don't find anything broken. Alex On 6/29/10, Dorothy Ingram-Gorban <dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Post script is mainly for the English version so check details first dorothy From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban Sent: 29 June 2010 13:33 To: org, jfw@freelists. Subject: update for jaws dear list I have just heard that a new update for Jaws 11 was released or announced yesterday, the information says it can either be downloaded from Jaws help,or an complete build intact from fs website, after what happened during the last update/patch I want to see how you have got on first thanks dorothy