re: the faux pas post
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:02:57 -0700
And so it did.
To inject something more to do with blindness/vision impairment/whatever
into that retail scenario, that was all about the frustration of bafflement
not helped by sales clerks who can't figure out what to say to someone with
a white cane, or whether to talk to their companion, or, well, everyone
knows the drill. when I was young I worked for a summer in a men's clothing
store, and learned to be a salesman by way of being an educator and helper.
"See, sir, this jacket has the center vent and the slash pockets, and the
other one has this, or that." Especially now that I can't see the details
of things like clothes (and so have almost as little idea of how people
dress these days as if I were totally blind), I need someone to describe the
items. The way they used to before every store was a chain store except for
expensive boutiques in Beverly Hills or parts of Manhattan where
personalized service still exists. I just realized the solution! I need to
make a *lot* of money, so I can shop only in such stores and receive that
kind of service again! No problem! I just have to be up for buying that
pair of walking shorts for $60 instead of $20, then I can get a clerk and a
tailor to coordinate a whole wardrobe around the shorts and help me to
visualize exactly how the T-shirt goes with the shorts, and how all that
looks with the black Air Jordans. Hmm. Those are going to be awfully baggy
shorts. What kind of boutique is this I'm imagining, anyway?
More coffee. More coffee.
Sorry to have gone off topic. Have a nice Sunday, everybody.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
That kind of thing could happen to anyone.
Bruce
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Yardbird wrote:
> All I can say to this is whoops. How's that for accidental
> self-disclosure?
> I'm a little confused today,and I obviously sent this reply to the wrong
> email. The one just below the one I meant to reply to. ye gads. Oh,
> well.
> In this state of mind, I don't think I can follow those AdAware
> directions.
> Generous as they were for the man to offer, just trying to memorize them
> makes my head spin. I think I'll wait until Dean fixes the scripts so I
> can
> just zap zap zap those spyware guys. I don't care about the details.
> That's just personal, I ought to say (okay, Bruce?). I mean there are a
> few
> things where I'm willing to just do the most automatic thing. I mean, up
> until now, I have just marked all the critical objects, without exploring
> them individually, and nothing has been disturbed about my computer use or
> web browsing.
> So I guess I'll be collecting Spyware for a couple of weeks, unless my
> Spyware Blaster shoots 'em down. Which it seems pretty good at.
>
> Sorry for the mistake. hope it was entertaining enough to make up for my
> embarrassment.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
> P.S.
>
> If hardly anyone wears pleated walking shorts anymore, I would've been
> satisfied to buy one of the plain front type. Though there seemed to be
> two
> or three different displays of them! I had no idea what the differences
> between all those might've been. Nobody said nothin'. but anyway, I
> would
> have gone with the flow, as the saying went, just to avoid having to try
> *again* to find them. That isn't much fun for me, having to arrange with
> a
> friend to go through all that every time I just want to go to the store
> and
> pick up some ordinary thing, but don't want to spend half the day on the
> bus
> and then be dependent on young clerks who either don't know their stock or
> can't communicate clearly, or both. So what I mean is I would have bought
> what was there just to have enough shorts for the summer, if I'd known it
> would be hard to find the other style. No big deal, more or less. it's
> the
> shopping that's the hassle, and you're the easiest of all my friends to go
> shopping for many things with because we communicate so easily and, well,
> the whole thing. your mom isn't really available to be one of those
> shopping friends anymore since Igor (you know how it goes with him, I
> guess)
> plus all those grueling hours at the externship at that hospital. And
> Tanya
> (of Arik and T.) has the kid, the job, the husband, the in-laws, and so
> forth. And my guy friends, Russian or American, simply aren't much help
> shopping for clothes, Like no help. Actually, Jim doesn't even live
> here,
> so that's out, and Paul, well, when he's here, he helps me with other
> stuff.Same way young Ilya from Samara helps me and spends a good bit of
> time
> and energy with my computer problems, and going through the mail as we
> used
> to do. So I don't try to drag him shopping, either, but again, it's more
> effort with him if I do. than it is with you, I mean.
>
> it's all so complicated, just planning how to get a couple of pairs of
> shorts, or so many perfectly ordinary things. So that's where I was
> coming
> from. If only the clerk had been more expressive, like an older, better
> educated employee or manager often is, and just say "You know, hardly
> anyone
> wears pleated shorts say no more, although they still make long pants with
> pleats. That's why we don't have any pleated shorts. You'll probably
> have
> a hard time finding them anywhere these days. Are you sure you have to
> have
> pleats?"
>
> And I would have said, "Oh, shit. Too bad. No, okay, I'll try on a
> couple
> of these and if they fit, that'll be fine."
>
> See? That happens when you go to some stores, but not ones with really
> young clerks and you're older so they won't even say anything to you
> because
> you're older, and all that.
>
> anyway, that's what happened. Just bitching (sorry if that's not P.C.;
> how
> about "kvetching," in Yiddish,maybe?). Venting.
>
> Just spent half the day with Ilya Roytburd getting office supplies, a new
> mop and bucket, and a new nylon duffel bag for my laundry,the old one
> having
> a huge rip in it through which clothes start falling out. But it's so
> much
> time and effort, plus you have to recruit a willing friend... ack. It's
> hard not to wish I could still just jump into my Tercel (or something
> newer,
> of course), go run these errands, choose things for myself, and come back
> home just like that (snaps fingers).
>
> Anyway, I understand about you working and everything, and I sympathize.So
> whenever you have time to write or, by this time for sure, call and talk,
> do. Whenever that may be, I'll be really happy to hear from you.
>
> Still want to know what "goty" dykes would be, for God's sake. What the
> hell does that mean? And how do you say it? Hey, don't get pissed off.
> At
> least I'm giving you a hard time about the "goty" part, not the "dyke"
> part,
> ponyatno? <laughing>
>
> Love,
> Joel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:46 AM
> Subject: RE: JFW & Audible
>
>
> I personalize web pages as I get to them based on the content I need to
> hear. I only make a couple of changes in the configuration manager,
> usually related to graphics, I think I generally set it to read labeled
> graphics and I change my voice scheme to rent-a-crowd. All the rest of
> the stuff I do through the verbosity insert V menu if I don't plan to
> revisit the page often, or through the personalize shift-insert-V menu.
>
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
> Rose,
>
> So you ou do this rather than going into one of the Configuration
> Manager
> menus and making a global adjustment? Or is it an alternative to
> globally
> turning off that type of link?
>
> Also, I'm assuming that this doesn't disable or delete those links, but
> rather just makes them announce themselves more plainly. Am I correct?
> I
> certainly don't wish to make all the links on the Audible site
> disappear! I
> just want them to shut up.
>
>
> Thanks.
> lobablly ome
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:47 PM
> Subject: RE: JFW & Audible
>
>
> Press insert-shift V and you will hear personalize web page or something
> similar, then three is the usual list where in you press the space bar
> on any item to change its status.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
> this sounds like a very appealing option. I'm not familiar with where
> it is
> you make these settings, Rose, either as defaults or specific to a
> particular URL. I certainly don't mind reading the instructions, but
> could
> you tell me which topic to look for in Jaws help in order to learn about
>
> this feature?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Daniel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:55 AM
> Subject: RE: JFW & Audible
>
>
> This is where the personalize web page feature is great, you can turn
> off the mouse-over links for pages where you don't need them by going to
> read elements and turning it off or on, on pages where they are helpful
> you can leave the feature running. I leave my configuration set to show
> the defaults and do personalize web pages for pages where either the
> mouse-over does not do anything or where I don't need to hear them.
>
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:50 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
> Wow, I'm really glad you mentioned your solution, because I had no idea
> 1.
> that youcould turn off the mouse-over links that now announce themselves
> all
> over the Web, and 2. that if you did, you'd wipe out Jaws's ability to
> see
> most links on some pages. I am an Audible customer, and on the audible
> site, as on some others with links of this type, I've nearly blocked out
> the
> distracting announcement while waiting to hear the actual name of the
> link.
> Hard to explain. In any case, thanks for reporting this experience.
> anhy 2ith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Gillard" <kgillard@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
> Well I figured it out. I needed to adjust the config manager to
> accommodate
> those pesky mouse over links on Odible. I turned off graphical links in
> order to browse EBay faster which hid the important links on the Audible
> sight..
>
> erk! !
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:27 PM
> Subject: Re: JFW & Audible
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I am still using Jaws 6.0, and haven't yet installed jaws 6.20. At
> this
>> point, everything on the Audible site is as accessible as it was for
> me
>> with earlier versions. Your inquiry is the first time I've heard
> anyone
>> say
>> that the update may have ruined their Audible access. Any other
> Audible
>> users here who've also downloaded and installed version 6.20? It's
> hard
>> to
>> believe that it could mess up the accessibility of that site so much.
> But
>> if it does, that's a serious problem for a lot of Jaws users, I'd say.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Keith Gillard" <kgillard@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:20 PM
>> Subject: JFW & Audible
>>
>>
>> hello,
>>
>> Since I have installed jfw 6.02 I have not been able to find links
> like My
>> account, Herd programs, add to shopping cart etc on Audible's web
> site.
>> Has
>> anyone else experienced this phenomena? Is Audible down for the
> count?
>>
>> Thanks...Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
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