Spyware Weekly Newsletter :· December 1, 2004 The Spyware Weekly Newsletter is distributed every week to 16,000 subscribers and read online by tens of thousands of visitors. Click here to subscribe. To unsubscribe from this newsletter, click the link provided at the bottom of the newsletter. Please read our Terms of Use for quoting guidelines. Old issues are available online. This edition of the Spyware Weekly Newsletter is archived permanently at http://www.spywareinfo.net/dec01,2004. Wherever the term "adware" is used, it is referring to a category of software, not to any particular company or product. Customers Who Opt Out Threatened With Higher Bills This is a story you might want to spread around a bit, particularly where large numbers of Californians might read it. It seems that SBC (the telecommunications company) is using some unsavory and possibly illegal means to force customers to not opt out of having their personal information provided to other companies. SBC circulated a letter to customers recently stating that unless they specifically opt out, SBC will begin sharing their personal information with some of their subsidiary companies. Missing from the letter is the fact that SBC currently has more than fifty such subsidiary companies. Also missing from that letter is the fact that they intend to raise rates on services or even cancel service to people who choose to opt out. If you call SBC and try to opt out of their privacy sharing plans, you will be informed that significant discounts you may be receiving for bundled services will be revoked. At least one person even was threatened with cancellation of his high-speed DSL internet service if he opted out. I know what some of you are thinking. While it may be distasteful, SBC has the right to provide or not provide discounts at their discretion. Well, it turns out that this is not the case. SBC might be breaking state and federal laws with their actions. According to the Federal Communications Commission, "telecom providers are prohibited from engaging in unreasonable discrimination. If what SBC is doing is designed to prevent people from exercising their privacy rights, that's not reasonable.". A spokesperson for California's Public Utilities Commission said that they are interested in looking into this situation. To opt out of SBC's plan to provide your personal information to other companies, you must call the company. Residential customers should call (800) 310-2355. Business customers should call (800) 750-2355. Better yet, cancel your SBC account and find a different service provider. This is beyond being an outrage. This calls for a full scale boycott of SBC, class-action lawsuits and criminal investigations by the state and federal authorities. I would like to see every single customer of SBC call to opt out of this information sharing and then file a complaint against the company when they are threatened with higher bills or cancellation of services. Then I would like to see every one of those customers cancel their accounts on the spot. If you have been threatened by SBC while trying to opt out of their data sharing plans and want to file a complaint, here is the information you need: To file a complaint with the California Public Utilities Commission, you can use an online form available at http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/forms/complaint.htm To file a complaint with the California Attorney-General, you can use an online form available at http://ag.ca.gov/consumers/mailform.htm To file a complaint with the FCC, send an email to fccinfo@xxxxxxx or call (888) 225-5322. Please, please file a complaint if this effects you. This company needs to be slapped down - hard. 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I've seen that in only one other program. It also scans the hard drive to look for installed spyware and will warn you if it finds any. It won't remove the spyware itself, but it will warn you that it is there. It even disables Windows Messenger spam. SuperAdBlocker also deletes the URL History from the Internet Explorer address bar, visited page history, cookies and temporary internet files. If you are looking for an ad blocking program, this is the one to buy. Simply put, this is the best ad blocker I have seen ... ever. If you have any problems with the purchase page or with the coupon code (SPYWAREINFO), please email my partner Catherine. **************************************** AOL Is Spyware Many people go on about AOL's software being spyware. To be sure, I've heard hundreds of times that the advertising AOL members see often begins to reflect their style of web surfing. Someone who visits many car racing or hobbyist sites will notice that the AOL advertising tends to be car-related after a while. There is also the matter of some AOL software tampering with Internet Explorer security settings by adding an AOL web server to the "Trusted Zone". Still, I've never agreed that it was spyware - until now. AOL's newest software is specifically designed to be used as surveillance spyware. The intention, while misguided, is good. It is listed as a parental control and allows the "Master User" to monitor the internet usage of every other user. The software creates reports of other users' web surfing, emails and instant messaging activity. I don't know if it also takes screenshots. If it doesn't, that is just about the only feature missing that is found in most commercial spyware products. While this is billed as a "parental control", anyone could use this feature to spy on you if you use AOL. Anyone with the "Master" account's password can turn on this feature and spy on anyone else using that computer. This can even be done remotely, so the person doesn't have to be right there in the house. If you use AOL, you had better check to make sure someone isn't using it to spy on you. **************************************** Marketscore Redirecting Encrypted Web Traffic A program called Marketscore, the newest incarnation of an older spyware program called Netsetter, has been discovered to be decrypting encrypted web browsing data and sending it to their servers. According to an article at PCWorld, Marketscore promises to speed up web surfing by serving pages from their proxy servers. The problem is that the software creates its own trusted certificate authority on computers. That certificate authority intercepts data that is encrypted, decrypts the data, then passes it to the Marketscore servers before reencrypting the data and passing it along to its final destination. That data could be anything from passwords to credit card numbers to all of the personal information needed to file for a bank loan. On top of that, all other web browsing requests go through Marketscore's servers, encrypted or otherwise. Combined with a unique tracking code, potentially this would allow Marketscore to monitor every single web site you visit. Marketscore is classified and detected as spyware by most antispyware products. Lavasoft rates Marketscore as a level 10 threat, their highest threat rating. It is bundled with unrelated software such as the Imesh file sharing program. Some people may not realize that this software is running on their machine. I strongly suggest installing an antispyware program such as Ad-aware or Spybot and removing Marketscore if it is installed on your computer. Links: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118757,00.asp :: Universities Struggling with SSL-Busting Spyware http://www.lavasoftnews.com/ms/display_main.php?tac=Marketscore(Netsetter) :: Lavasoft's Threat Assessment Chart http://www.lavasoft.de/ :: Ad-aware http://www.spybot.info/ :: Spybot **************************************** Claria/Gator's EULA There is an interesting article at Ben Edelman's site. He has written about his examination of Claria/Gator's end user license agreement (EULA). I know how that sounds but it is actually very interesting. The first thing he points out is the fact that the license agreement is extraordinarily difficult to read, if you happen to be the one person out of 10,000 who actually reads an EULA. Assuming it is readable at all (that's not always the case apparently), often it is presented in a very small portion of a small scroll box. The reader is forced to scroll several dozen times to read the entire agreement. If you persevere and manage to read Claria/Gator's EULA, you'll find one clause that prohibits a user from viewing or recording the network traffic between Claria/Gator's software and their web servers. That is a particularly odd thing to put into a software license. I wonder what it is Claria/Gator has to hide from their users? Another section demands that you not remove or encourage the removal of the software in any way other than going to add/remove. Claria/Gator seems to be forbidding the use of antispyware tools. Uh huh. And I demand that you close my newsletter only by setting fire to your computer while baying at the moon. If you close it in any other way, you are in violation of my policy. I wonder if anyone from Claria/Gator is reading this? Links: http://www.benedelman.org/news/112904-1.html :: Gator's EULA Gone Bad http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/ads/gator/ :: Documentation of Gator Advertisements and Targeting **************************************** RFID Privacy Concerns I have read yet another article about Radio Frequency ID (RFID) tags and privacy. I am beginning to wonder if every article on the subject is written by someone who is pro-RFID and wants to make privacy advocates look like fools. Something that appears in every one of these stories is a statement similar to this: "privacy advocates are uneasy at the thought of being tracked through the store with a system recording exactly what is in their shopping cart.". Oh good grief. While I'm sure those very people exist (somewhere), that is not the main objection to RDIF tags. "THEY" are going to find out what items are in my shopping cart anyway when I go to pay for them. The actual concern that people have is that these tags will remain readable once they have left the store. At the moment, RFID tags are readable only up to a very small distance away. In the future, this will not be the case. Imagine having several thousand dollars worth of jewelry, all tagged with RFID chips, on your person while walking down a dark street. Do you really want someone with an RFID reader following you around? Or how about someone outside your home pretending to read your electric meter while waving an RFID reader up and down the walls outside your bedroom? There is a clear, simple way to dispell these concerns. All RFID chips, ALL OF THEM, should be destroyed at the point of purchase. This is not a difficult thing to do and it is not asking too much of RFID makers and retailers to do this. And yet, the proponents of RFID tracking technology categorically have refused to consider this when confronted with the idea. Why? What can they possibly be planning to do that requires that these tags not be destroyed after they have left the store? RFID tracking of inventory is going to happen. And frankly, that is a good thing. It will reduce cost and make it much easier to manage warehouses and retail stocks. I've worked in a warehouse and I would have loved to have had something like this. What is not a good thing is the ominous potential represented by RFID tags out in the wild. I believe Congress needs to step in here. All we need is one simple requirement, that all RFID tags will be destroyed as soon as the item to which it is attached is purchased. As soon as I hand over cash for the item, it is no longer the store's merchandise. It is now my private property and the store loses any right to track its location. Here's an idea that solves the problem. Embed the RFID chip into a piece of plastic attached to the merchandise, same as the price tag. The cashier clips off the plastic tag as it is being checked out. In this way the tracking chip never leaves the store, disabled or otherwise. They could even find a way to recycle the tags and save money. What possible objection could there be to this - unless they have other plans for the tags which "THEY" don't want us to know about? Links: http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/Squaring-the-Circle-with-RFID-and-Privacy-38385.html :: Squaring the Circle with RFID and Privacy **************************************** Local News I was playing a video game the other night with the local TV news playing in the other room. They started talking about spyware, so I paused the game to go watch the piece. Journalists often seem to be clueless about spyware. Many news articles or TV reports about spyware make it obvious that the writer really doesn't know what they're talking about. This piece was pretty good however. They covered the basics and even suggested Ad-aware and Spybot near the end. Then the reporter pointed viewers to a page on the TV station's web site with links to the programs. I loaded the page and nearly fell out of my chair. They had the wrong link to Ad-aware. They are linking to some copycat site selling an unrelated program. The site and program have nothing more to do with Ad-aware than the fact that the web site's address has "ada-ware" in the name. There are so many rip-off programs that play on the name of Ad-aware and Spybot and this is one of them. I called them and told them about the error but they still haven't fixed the link. This is a problem I notice in many TV news reports about spyware. The people selling these copycat programs play on the name of Ad-aware and Spybot and hope to fool people into going to their site instead of the real sites. Reporters tend to fall for it hook, line and sinker. Do your neighbors a favor. If you see a report about spyware on your local news and they link to the wrong place on their web site, call them to point out the error and ask them to fix it. Many of the programs you'll find at these copycat sites are every bit as bad as the targets of the real Ad-aware. Some of them actually are targets. SpywareWarrior has a whole page devoted to listing these copycat and malicious programs masquerading as antispyware. Always check this site before trying a new program that claims to be an antispyware program. There was another story right after the spyware story that caught my interest. It has nothing to do with spyware but it really ticks me off and I want to rant about it. Morgan Gallo and Tim O'Bryant are a young couple living in a suburb outside of Savannah, Georgia. They are engaged to be married. Last Saturday, someone broke into their garage and stole hundreds, possibly thousands, of dollars worth of property. Along with the Christmas gifts and other items taken, the thief stole a flak jacket and an armored kevlar helmet. Tim is a soldier with the U.S. Army, Third Infantry Division, which is based nearby at Fort Stewart. His unit is going to be deployed to Iraq very soon. And now he doesn't have the body armor that he certainly is going to need when he is in Iraq. The Army probably won't issue replacements and the police probably won't be able to find the armor before he ships out. That just ticks me off. They should charge that thief with treason when they catch him. Or better yet, draft him and send him to Iraq without body armor. Links: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm :: Rogue Antispyware Programs **************************************** Same Old Simpleminded Argument Something I hear constantly from people, when I'm discussing privacy and spyware, is the phrase "I have nothing to hide". How I counter that depends on who says it and what prompted it. In all cases, it infuriates me when someone says that. It is a cop out. It is lazy. It is ignorant. It is apathetic. It is a simpleminded argument that, instead of addressing the issue, attempts to embarrass the person speaking up for their privacy. More importantly, it is dangerous argument. You cannot live in a free society and have an attitude like that. If you don't protest when your rights are violated, all too soon the society will cease being free. It turns out that some of those who say they don't worry about their privacy, because they have nothing to hide, sometimes are lying. When their privacy is invaded unfairly, they squawk just as loudly as anyone else. Read this story at the Willamette Week Online and you'll see what I mean. I was watching a show on Fox News (yes, I realize I watch too much news) when they did a segment about unjustified searches. It seems that the cops in New Jersey or somewhere used dogs to sniff around outside a car after a person refused a "consensual" search by a state trooper. Police in the United States have no right to search a vehicle without permission unless they have reason to believe they will find evidence of a crime. If you are pulled over and a police officer asks permission to search the vehicle, you are perfectly within your rights to say no. Linda Vester, God bless her, piped up with "I would have no problem letting a policeman search my car because I know I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide.". She followed that up with a suspiciously arrogant-looking smirk. It was almost sad when the person with whom she was debating stuck a pin in her bubble. "Really? And if you've just returned from Atlantic City with several thousand dollars in cash from a good night at the casino?". The live audience roared with laughter. Poor Linda, she had no answer to that and so she changed the subject. When someone is pulled over by police and they have thousands of dollars in cash, quite often that cash doesn't make it home with them. Under US Federal forfeiture law, you actually don't have to commit a crime for the police to seize your property. They can just take it, never charge you with a crime or even arrest you. All they have to do is claim that they suspect the property is related to some sort of crime, usually drug-related. They are not required to prove this. Why this practice hasn't been banned for violating the Fourth Amendment is beyond me. Two hundred different federal laws make it close to impossible ever to recover that property. You have to prove the property was not gained by illegal actions (how do you prove a negative fact?), you are prohibited from suing for your legal costs and you are even forced to pay the police department's legal costs whether you win or lose. If you don't believe me, do a Google search for the words "forfeiture+cops". You'll be in for a blood-chilling read. Still have no problem with an illegal search of your car, Linda? There is always something to hide that is none of anyone's business. Credit card numbers for instance. A medical condition. What you ate for lunch. That, however, is not the point. The point is, some things are none of anyone else's business. Privacy is a right. Short of a court order or a policeman's valid "probable cause", my right to keep my private information private supersedes anyone else's desire to make learn of or make use of it. That, really, is all there is to it. Links: http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=3485 :: RUBBISH! http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentiv :: Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. **************************************** What is Computer Associates Thinking? Computer Associates, which recently purchased the antispyware company PestPatrol, has released a list of the top spyware applications. In that list is the program Kazaa. While installing Kazaa is an excellent way to infect yourself with all manner of spyware, the program itself certainly is not spyware. What can CA possibly be thinking? Use of the term "spyware" has gotten out of hand. Some firms are reporting that 97% of all computers are infected with spyware. The trouble is that they are counting cookies as spyware. As I have explained repeatedly, cookies are NOT spyware. This overuse of the word spyware reduces its impact. When you start referring to cookies as spyware and labeling programs such as Kazaa as spyware, it makes it very hard for people to take the issue seriously. While the term "spyware" caught the attention of people when Steve Gibson first coined it years ago, I am beginning to wish he had called it something else. For one thing, it doesn't apply to many of the problems lumped under the category of "spyware". CWS may be nasty but it is by no means spyware. I've started calling the software that causes these problems "parasites". Computer Associates needs to rethink what they are doing. They are causing a headache to all of us involved in this new antispyware industry. Links: http://www.spywareinfo.net/nov10,2004#cost :: The Cost Of Spyware http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2004/11/29/spyware_label_abused_losing_nasty_effect/ :: ' Spyware' Label Abused, Losing Nasty Effect **************************************** Headlines I do not intentionally link to web sites that require registration before allowing visitors to read the article. At the time I read these articles, I was not required to register. If one of these sites requires that you register before allowing you to read the article, please let me know and I will blacklist that site. http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-fone27.html :: Loophole would let messages penetrate Do Not Call list http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Banking/FinancialPrivacy/P73724.asp :: How to fight spam, junk mail and sales calls http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/11/29/a1.uospyware.1129.html :: Beware Spyware - Infections on Rise http://www.techweb.com/wire/networking/54200967 :: Computer Firms Score Poorly In Privacy, Customer Response http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5469837.html :: Random answers retain privacy http://www.newstarget.com/002542.html :: Color laser printers snitch on their owners http://news.independent.co.uk/business/analysis_and_features/story.jsp?story=587774 :: Small Talk: Spyware company has its eye on a fund raiser http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1104-insight-MetroPipe+Releases+Technology-status-10-newsID-7581.html :: MetroPipe Releases Technology Preview of the Portable Virtual Privacy Machine http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/10288470.htm?1c :: The king of adware http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19889 :: CIA funds monitoring of IRC http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/Whose-Computer-Is-This-38386.html :: Whose Computer Is This? http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2004/11/24/opinion/opinion4.txt :: Take privacy for granted at your peril http://www.dmnews.com/cgi-bin/artprevbot.cgi?article_id=31131 :: ID Theft, Spyware Could Dent Holiday E-Commerce **************************************** Support SpywareInfo Running SpywareInfo has become an expensive thing to do. 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We'll have more designs to offer soon. **************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Click the link below to unsubscribe. To unsubscribe, go to the followig URL : http://www.spywareinfo.com/subscribe_text/ml.php?type=desinscription&addr=markw@xxxxxxxxxxxx&hash=4ef2bc97fcd0a9a6d8fa1dbf14a8d8a6 ----- Original Message ----- From: < ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Any problems with SBC "Self-support" upgrade & JAWS? Hi, I have complained all the way to "Resolution expert". If any one does try this SBC "mandatory" upgrade and you hate it, write me. The escalation "Resolution" expert would be interested in direct correspondence with any one who cannot use the mandatory upgrade. I have means of having the Resolution Expert call me back. Yes, I refuse the upgrade every time which is very often. I told her this in my opinion violatesthe contract and ifI am forced to usethestuff,I will changeto cable. If enough people gripe, they will listen. To gripe, call Customer Service and escalateto Manager and be insistent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david poehlman" < david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Any problems with SBC "Self-support" upgrade & JAWS? > is there a box to uncheck? if there is, take the option. If not, complain. > There is no reason to have that junk on your pc whether or not it is > accessible to jaws. > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: < ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: Any problems with SBC "Self-support" upgrade & JAWS? > > > HI, > Every one is getting the reminder which is marked "mandatory" and that is > whyI am asking if any one has checked "yes" to upgrade? > Also if you upgraded, does it work well with JAWS? > My preference would be to skip the upgrade entirely, but that appears to > not be an option. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stu" < k5stu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: Any problems with SBC "Self-support" upgrade & JAWS? > > > > Why even use the software? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: < ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:32 PM > > Subject: Any problems with SBC "Self-support" upgrade & JAWS? > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Because in the past 5 weeks, some of us have found problems with > software > > > from 3 major vendors having latest versions partially or mostly > > > inaccessible, > > > I would be curious to know the experience of JAWS users and the SBC > > > self-support upgrade before one alters a program that works. > > > As there are so many blind SBC users, it might be possible to get the > > > company's attention if there are major problems with the upgraded > > software. > > > > > > -- > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > > > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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