Re: safe mode?
- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:35:36 -0500
Yes. This is really interesting. I thought that an external synthesiser would
have to be the way to go, yet it seems barely anyone uses them nowadays.
Tom, yeah, I understand that the whole purpose of safe mode is to run the OS in
"bare bones" form to avoid any problems. However, it just seems that if I were
designing screenreading software for people who could not see the monitor one
of the first things I'd have to do would be to make sure there was some way of
accessing the programme from the command line or whatever. Of course, this
seems to depend largely on the soundcard setup too. Mine loads so many drivers
at startup now that I wouldn't really know where to start...
----- Original Message -----
From: The Elf
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: safe mode?
actually, no you don't, you can run any application with the run dialog box,
and the sound drivers not being loaded can be bypassed with the use of a pair
of USB headphones and, though this one hasn't been tested, quite possibly with
a USB sound card, I know that when I plug my external sound card in everything
running or not (though I would start jaws after plugging the sound card in,
just in case, but on my computers the external sound card takes over no matter
what was running and/or when it was turned on
so, this will take care of this. (post oops, sort of!)
another line to reinvestigate: , now remember this was way back prior to
millennium coming out, but in the win 98 days, doss drivers would run an
external synthesizer. I even had some access to my bios using both jaws for
dos, a bit of medaling with the drivers loading and a external hardware
synthesizer...
and a tech friend of mine from over the pond and way up north also devised a
simple set of applications and a small tool that would hand start the drivers
for the sound card if you knew what they were, and would then start jaws
manually,
and it worked.
the problem now a days is I am having a heck of a time finding the command
line code to load drivers anymore!
if you can load sound drivers, it would be possible to have jaws in safe
mode,
ach, ok, correction you could have limited jaws in safe mode due to the
minimal video drivers used in that mode, but still you could hear/see
something.
hmmmm, has anyone tried NVDA with either USB headphones or a USB sound card?
that may work better than the minimal jaws you'd get in SM.
HTH,
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lange
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: safe mode?
Hi,
You wrote:
Hello everyone.
Always been curious about this. What does everyone else do when the
computer needs to be booted into safe mode?
I can't boot my machines into safe mode without sighted assistance.
I
How come after all these years there isn't a way to get speech in this
all-important area? Seems kind of insane...or am I missing some magic solution
that should be obvious?
No, I don't think so. When you boot into safe mode, your machine loads
only the essential drivers, and those don't include drivers for audio devices,
unfortunately.
Some years ago, I saw a machine in safe mode drive a serially-attached
Dectalk synthesizer with a version of Window-Eyes, but it couldn't be done with
JAWS at the time.
Thinking about this issue raises an interesting question. Since USB
drivers are loaded in safe mode for keyboards, mice and so on, I wonder if it
would be possible for FS to develop a safe driver that could be used with a
USB-attached hardware synthesizer, or, if you could use a USB sound device and
use Eloquence or other software synthesizers with it. That would be really
cool. I just don't have the technical knowledge to determine if something like
that is feasible. Until then, I just have to find somebody with working
eyeballs to help me out when booting a machine into safe mode.
Tom
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