However, I've heard that ghoast won't restore something like an authorization key. Am I incorrect about that point? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: RE: removing authorization key, putting it back later
Sean, This is when Ghost and other disk cloning software plays an important role. If you've encountered a system crash (assuming that it is not the hardware), you can restore your system to the previously working state and start from scratch. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sean M McMahon Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:55 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later My point exactly. If I backup other windows software, I can fully restore my system from that backup. If I backup jaws, I cannot fully fully restore it from my backup. This seems to violate fair use to me. jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 01/31/2007 11:16:40 AM:Hi, You most likely can backup your JAWS cd or ILM cd just like you canbackupan Office or XP cd but this doesn't effect the ILM key on the pc. Thereisa way to backup the ILM key but once you make a hardware change itreallydoesn't matter since your locking code will have changed making the key void. Rick ======= Visit my webpage at www.blind-geek-zone.net Here you will find Audio tutorials for popular programs, blindnessrelatedweb links, blind mailing list links and documents for various things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@xxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later hmm.. Just a thought, does the authorization scheme of fs and soon,vista,violate the concept of fair use? I'm not a legal person, but just wondering. For example, if you've ever read a user lisence aggreement for MS Worditsays that you can make one backup coppy for personal use. We can'teffectibelydo this with Jaws. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S. Batchelor" <leehigh73@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: removing authorization key, putting it back later >I can name one, now that you asked! > > VISTA will be doing the very same thing....coming to a store near > you> soon! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Eliminate annoying spam! > > My mailbox is protected by iHateSpam, the #1-rated spam buster. > http://www.ihatespam.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] OnBehalf> Of John Heim > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:45 PM > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later > > Geez! I already explained what is my problem with it. It's damn > inconvenient to have to get a new authorization code every time you > do something as minor as swap out a CD-ROM drive oraa video card. > That's ridiculous. No other piece of software that I know of > requiresanything> like > > that. And knowing about it doesn't make it any better. it's stillstupid.> > You say you don't have a problem with it. Why not? Can you tell me > of> other > > licensed software that has such a draconian authorization scheme?Isn't> jaws > > authorization scheme *the* very worst? Can you name one that is worse? > > From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later > > >> So what's the big deal??? You had to wait till the next morning? >> FS clearly states if you have one ILM left you should call and have >> it reset. FS asks no questions and I feel it's a acceptable >> practace for the most part. >> >> Rick >> >> >> ======= >> >> Visit my webpage at www.blind-geek-zone.net >> >> Here you will find Audio tutorials for popular programs, blindness >> related web links, blind mailing list links and documents for >> various things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:51 PM >> Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later >> >> >> It was a Sunday night so I didn't get reauthorized until the nextday.>> >> The real problem is that when stuff like this happens, it looks bad.It>> makes me look like a burden to my employer and it makes me angrywith>> FS. >> When something as simple as swapping out a CD-ROM drive becomes a >> half-day ordeal, it makes me look incompetant. I shouldn't have to >> go through that. >> Like a lot of techies, Monday morning is busy for me. It isunacceptable>> for >> my PC to be popping up messages saying I have to reboot in 3 minutes.>> I'm >> supposed to be *fixing* computers, not struggling to keep my ownworking.>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:07 PM >> Subject: RE: removing authorization key, putting it back later >> >> >>> That is a bit much, although it's just a technicality. Did St. >>> Petersburg have you up and running again quickly? >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of John Heim >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:49 AM >>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later >>> >>> >>> I don't know which way is better. A couple of weeks ago, my CD-ROMdrive>>> >>> died. I swapped in a new one and lost my jaws authorization. Now,that>>> is >>> bogus. Why in the world would I have to reauthorize a license for >>> anything just because I swapped out a CD-ROM drive? Oh, I know >>> there is agood>>> *technical* explanation. But from a customer service standpoint,that is>>> >>> truly bogus. >>> >>> When you pay $1000 for a piece of software, you expect betterservice>>> than >>> that. >>> >>> From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:58 AM >>> Subject: RE: removing authorization key, putting it back later >>> >>> >>>> This is really not as big a hassle as it seems. In a lot of >>>> ways, >>> ILM's >>>> are less trouble than their predecessors. You no longer have toworry>>>> about an optimization program trashing your key. Furthermore, ifyou>>> do >>>> need a fresh supply, getting replacements is far easier than itused>>> to >>>> be. The old process involved either reset codes, which did notalways>>>> work, or waiting for a fresh disc to arrive. >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Leonard Salinas >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:30 AM >>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: re: removing authorization key, putting it back later >>>> >>>> >>>> not only that, if you change any hardware in your system the ilm >>>> authorization is render invalid. >>>> >>>> >>>> Legend has it that on Monday 1/29/2007 11:23 PM, Joseph Lee said: >>>>>Patricia, >>>>>ILM is different from Quela authorization. >>>>>If you have Quela autherization (JAWS 5.1 or earlier), use HJAUTH >>>>>utility to save the auth key back to the diskette and install it >>>>>later. With ILM, you can indeed remove auth code, but you cannot >>>>>install it later. >>>>>You'll need to activate it again (ILM looks for the hardware >>>>>fingerprint in order for it to work). If the drive is changed >>>>>(for example, formatted), then it will ask you to reactivate it. >>>>>Cheers, >>>>>Joseph >>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Patricia" <bcsarah.fan@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Date sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:21:52 -0800 >>>>>>Subject: removing authorization key, putting >>>>>it back later >>>>> >>>>>>is there a way that you can remove your >>>>>authorization key (sauy for formatting your computer) and then >>>>>putting it back later so that you don't have to redo your keys >>>>>thereby losing another key? I don't see any way of doing this, >>>>>and am asking on a friend's behalf but I think that if there >>>>>ins't away>>>>>there should be because then people wouldn't have to constantlycall>>>>>FS or fill out the form online. >>>>> >>>>>>Patricia >>>>> >>>>>>e-mail: bcsarah.fan@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>msn: bc_sarah_fan@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>-- >>>>>JFW related links: >>>>>JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing >>>>>list: >>>>>http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com >>>>>JFW List instructions: >>>>>To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To >>>>>unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to >>>>>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the >>>>>subject >>>> line. >>>>>Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw >>>>> >>>>>If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the >>>>>list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the >>>>>list. 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