Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab.

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:35:57 -0700

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about, or what bearing it 
has on whatever I said to provoke your interest. I'm sure you're right. 
Okay? Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject 
line: alt+tab.


Hi, it was about as clear as road mud.
First msaa does not decide to report anything to jaws.  Jaws asks msaa for
the information.  Jaws also requests information from quite a number of
places.  Based on the information it gets there are a number of scripts and
events that then figure out what is best for jaws to speak.  Probably in the
time allowed for msaa has  reported  the information jaws needs and other
places have not. This could be do to a number of factors which I am not
going to brake down here.   Suffice  it to say what you are bitching about
is intact a feature met to insure that you always get the information you
need when you need it.
HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:18 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line: alt+tab.


Well, if you're responding to my saying that sometimes Jaws speaks it and
sometimes it doesn't (and I said I don't care very much, one way or the
other, please remember), it must be because MSAA picks it up and chooses to
report it sometimes and not other times. I was not asking how things come to

be spoken in the first place. I was just curious why I'll hear that I'm
switching tasks once as I press alt tab, but never again within that day at
the computer. It must be a fluke of some sort, and if you understand what
could be going on to cause this inconsistency, I'll be interested to learn
about it just to learn something. But if you don't know why it's
inconsistent (seems to break down, is probably how someone would put it who
really cared more than I do), then don't worry about it. I hope this is
clear. Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line: alt+tab.


Hi for one thing this is being herd because msaa reports  it to jaws. So
when you here this it just means that jaws got the info from msaa. The same
reason jaws some times talks about the desktop as program manager.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:28 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line: alt+tab.


Hello Nicole,
I'm running the exact same version of Jaws as you are. I am not commenting
on your explanation because I have any confusion or actual problem, but just

out of curiosity. For instance, I seldom use my Jaws cursor except for
special needs, as I believe most Jaws users do. And the Jaws cursor has a
different voice than the PC cursor, so it's always obvious to me which of
the two cursors is active, and so I've never learned that keystroke you
mention to check, Insert Escape, although If for some reason I'm ever in
doubt about which cursor is turned on, that will be a good keystroke for me
to know. And, finally,  if for some reason I didn't know which cursor I had
made active (I never have had any confusion about it, but let's say I did),
I'd suspect immediately because Jaws keystrokes wouldn't work right, nearly
all of them, in a way that could only happen if I accidentally had turned on

the Jaws cursor. Which always announced itself when I press num pad minus to

turn it on, so again, I just don't have any experience with having the Jaws
cursor active without knowing it.

So all I can say is, for one thing, I don't know about this "switching
tasks" announcement, why it speaks occasionally but most of the time
doesn't, or what the Jaws  cursor might have to do with it. But it's okay,
really. I have far more serious problems with Jaws 8, next to which this
mystery seems pretty insignificant, I'm sorry to say. I did try your
keystroke just now, alt delete, and as you might expect, it said pc cursor
active, folowed by some numbers. In this case, 848, 385.  I tried it at a
couple of locations within this message I'm writing, and those two numbers
changed each time. So I guess they're some sort of coordinates or something.

But I'm just guessing.so I guess

Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:42 AM
Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line: alt+tab.



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Which version do you have?
I have Version 8.0.423
I check with alt+delete which cursor is active and with my version I only
hear task switching if the jaws cursor is active. -----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: 21 May 2007 01:46 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line: alt+tab.

Hi Nicol,

that's very interesting, but I very seldom have the Jaws cursor turned on
unless it's for some special navigational purpose. The reason Jaws 8 reports
"task switching" when you press Alt tab (or at least the first time you
press it as you circulate among your open applications this way) is because
that's what you are doing, just as if you were sighted and clicking on one
task bar icon after the other to go from program to program. I'm sure they
meant it to be a helpful feature, although it seems to me pretty extraneous
like some sort of beginner's level verbosity. I mean, if you're just
learning how to open doors in a house, this is the sort of thing that would
report "opening door" every time you did it, although, pretty soon, you'd
know perfectly well when you are opening a door, and not need to hear that
confirmation any more. So it would be nice if it could just be turned off,
like tutor messages.

But for me, the one eccentric thing it does is say this only the very first
time during a day of using Jaws 8, only one time. After that, no matter how
many times I cycle around from open application to open application with Alt
tab, it never reports that I'm doing this, again. I just think it's one of
those imperfect new bells and whistles sort of features that will probably
need to be refined eventually so that it stops behaving oddly. As for the
Jaws cursor, as I never have the Jaws cursor turned on when I'm switching
from one application (task) to another, I have no idea how that affects it.
Let me try: Okay. Well, using Jaws cursor and pressing alt tab, my Jaws 8
says nothing at all except Alt Tab. In fact, it doesn't even report which
application I'm switching to. Nothing. Just reports my keystroke. And if I
turn PC cursor back on, as is normal for me, it just behaves like earlier
versions, reporting "alt tab" and saying which application I'm reentering.
It hasn't even *said* task switching yet. Weird.

Oh, well..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line:
alt+tab.



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HI
A while ago there was a big thread about using alt+tab. One question that
came out in this thread was: Why does jaws say task switching if I press
alt+tab. I have explored with alt+tab and here is why jaws says task
switching. If your jaws cursor is active, jaws will say task switching each
time you press alt+tab. So if you don't like  jaws saying task switching,
press numpad plus for pc cursor. Task switching obviously means you are
switching to another program, a program is technically seen as a task in
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