Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab.

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:03:42 -0700

No, Nicol, I am pretty sure it's supposed to do this, and what I'm curious 
about is why it fails to do it sometimes. No, it does  not read any sort of 
list. It's all right. I don't really care very much about this feature of 
jaws. Hope all's well with you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:18 AM
Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject 
line: alt+tab.



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HI yardbird
When you press  alt+tab and you hear jaws say task switching does it
also say listbox 1 of 3 for instance?
If I have 3 programs  open and my jaws cursor is active and I press
alt+tab I hear jaws say: task switching list box 3 of 3.
It might be that it has something to do with the display settings.
Maybe your computer's display or taskbar settings is different than
mine, that's why jaws says task switching on your computer regardless of
which cursor is active.This task   switching thing that jaws says, it
should have something to do with the taskbar, so it should be a setting
in windows that causes jaws to say: task switching.
So I really don't mean to argue with you, if you say that you seldomly
use the jaws cursor and that you have a different voice for the jaws
cursor but that you still  hear task switching if you use the pc cursor
and you press alt+tab, my only wild  guess is then that it's a taskbar
or display setting in windows that cause this.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 22 May 2007 05:28 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part.
subject line: alt+tab.

Hello Nicole,
I'm running the exact same version of Jaws as you are. I am not
commenting
on your explanation because I have any confusion or actual problem, but
just
out of curiosity. For instance, I seldom use my Jaws cursor except for
special needs, as I believe most Jaws users do. And the Jaws cursor has
a
different voice than the PC cursor, so it's always obvious to me which
of
the two cursors is active, and so I've never learned that keystroke you
mention to check, Insert Escape, although If for some reason I'm ever in

doubt about which cursor is turned on, that will be a good keystroke for
me
to know. And, finally,  if for some reason I didn't know which cursor I
had
made active (I never have had any confusion about it, but let's say I
did),
I'd suspect immediately because Jaws keystrokes wouldn't work right,
nearly
all of them, in a way that could only happen if I accidentally had
turned on
the Jaws cursor. Which always announced itself when I press num pad
minus to
turn it on, so again, I just don't have any experience with having the
Jaws
cursor active without knowing it.

So all I can say is, for one thing, I don't know about this "switching
tasks" announcement, why it speaks occasionally but most of the time
doesn't, or what the Jaws  cursor might have to do with it. But it's
okay,
really. I have far more serious problems with Jaws 8, next to which this

mystery seems pretty insignificant, I'm sorry to say. I did try your
keystroke just now, alt delete, and as you might expect, it said pc
cursor
active, folowed by some numbers. In this case, 848, 385.  I tried it at
a
couple of locations within this message I'm writing, and those two
numbers
changed each time. So I guess they're some sort of coordinates or
something.
But I'm just guessing.so I guess

Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:42 AM
Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part.
subject
line: alt+tab.



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Which version do you have?
I have Version 8.0.423
I check with alt+delete which cursor is active and with my version I
only hear task switching if the jaws cursor is active.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: 21 May 2007 01:46 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part.
subject line: alt+tab.

Hi Nicol,

that's very interesting, but I very seldom have the Jaws cursor turned
on
unless it's for some special navigational purpose. The reason Jaws 8
reports
"task switching" when you press Alt tab (or at least the first time you
press it as you circulate among your open applications this way) is
because
that's what you are doing, just as if you were sighted and clicking on
one
task bar icon after the other to go from program to program. I'm sure
they
meant it to be a helpful feature, although it seems to me pretty
extraneous
like some sort of beginner's level verbosity. I mean, if you're just
learning how to open doors in a house, this is the sort of thing that
would
report "opening door" every time you did it, although, pretty soon,
you'd
know perfectly well when you are opening a door, and not need to hear
that
confirmation any more. So it would be nice if it could just be turned
off,
like tutor messages.

But for me, the one eccentric thing it does is say this only the very
first
time during a day of using Jaws 8, only one time. After that, no matter
how
many times I cycle around from open application to open application with
Alt
tab, it never reports that I'm doing this, again. I just think it's one
of
those imperfect new bells and whistles sort of features that will
probably
need to be refined eventually so that it stops behaving oddly. As for
the
Jaws cursor, as I never have the Jaws cursor turned on when I'm
switching
from one application (task) to another, I have no idea how that affects
it.
Let me try:
Okay. Well, using Jaws cursor and pressing alt tab, my Jaws 8 says
nothing
at all except Alt Tab. In fact, it doesn't even report which application
I'm
switching to. Nothing. Just reports my keystroke. And if I turn PC
cursor
back on, as is normal for me, it just behaves like earlier versions,
reporting "alt tab" and saying which application I'm reentering. It
hasn't
even *said* task switching yet. Weird.

Oh, well..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject
line:
alt+tab.



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HI
A while ago there was a big thread about using alt+tab. One question
that came out in this thread was:
Why does jaws say task switching if I press alt+tab.
I have explored with alt+tab and here is why jaws says task switching.
If your jaws cursor is active, jaws will say task switching each time
you press alt+tab. So if you don't like  jaws saying task switching,
press numpad plus for pc cursor.
Task switching obviously means you are switching to another program, a
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