Never mind I give up. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:36 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about, or what bearing it has on whatever I said to provoke your interest. I'm sure you're right. Okay? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. Hi, it was about as clear as road mud. First msaa does not decide to report anything to jaws. Jaws asks msaa for the information. Jaws also requests information from quite a number of places. Based on the information it gets there are a number of scripts and events that then figure out what is best for jaws to speak. Probably in the time allowed for msaa has reported the information jaws needs and other places have not. This could be do to a number of factors which I am not going to brake down here. Suffice it to say what you are bitching about is intact a feature met to insure that you always get the information you need when you need it. HTH -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:18 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. Well, if you're responding to my saying that sometimes Jaws speaks it and sometimes it doesn't (and I said I don't care very much, one way or the other, please remember), it must be because MSAA picks it up and chooses to report it sometimes and not other times. I was not asking how things come to be spoken in the first place. I was just curious why I'll hear that I'm switching tasks once as I press alt tab, but never again within that day at the computer. It must be a fluke of some sort, and if you understand what could be going on to cause this inconsistency, I'll be interested to learn about it just to learn something. But if you don't know why it's inconsistent (seems to break down, is probably how someone would put it who really cared more than I do), then don't worry about it. I hope this is clear. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. Hi for one thing this is being herd because msaa reports it to jaws. So when you here this it just means that jaws got the info from msaa. The same reason jaws some times talks about the desktop as program manager. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:28 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. Hello Nicole, I'm running the exact same version of Jaws as you are. I am not commenting on your explanation because I have any confusion or actual problem, but just out of curiosity. For instance, I seldom use my Jaws cursor except for special needs, as I believe most Jaws users do. And the Jaws cursor has a different voice than the PC cursor, so it's always obvious to me which of the two cursors is active, and so I've never learned that keystroke you mention to check, Insert Escape, although If for some reason I'm ever in doubt about which cursor is turned on, that will be a good keystroke for me to know. And, finally, if for some reason I didn't know which cursor I had made active (I never have had any confusion about it, but let's say I did), I'd suspect immediately because Jaws keystrokes wouldn't work right, nearly all of them, in a way that could only happen if I accidentally had turned on the Jaws cursor. Which always announced itself when I press num pad minus to turn it on, so again, I just don't have any experience with having the Jaws cursor active without knowing it. So all I can say is, for one thing, I don't know about this "switching tasks" announcement, why it speaks occasionally but most of the time doesn't, or what the Jaws cursor might have to do with it. But it's okay, really. I have far more serious problems with Jaws 8, next to which this mystery seems pretty insignificant, I'm sorry to say. I did try your keystroke just now, alt delete, and as you might expect, it said pc cursor active, folowed by some numbers. In this case, 848, 385. I tried it at a couple of locations within this message I'm writing, and those two numbers changed each time. So I guess they're some sort of coordinates or something. But I'm just guessing.so I guess Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:42 AM Subject: RE: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf ---- Which version do you have? I have Version 8.0.423 I check with alt+delete which cursor is active and with my version I only hear task switching if the jaws cursor is active. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: 21 May 2007 01:46 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. Hi Nicol, that's very interesting, but I very seldom have the Jaws cursor turned on unless it's for some special navigational purpose. The reason Jaws 8 reports "task switching" when you press Alt tab (or at least the first time you press it as you circulate among your open applications this way) is because that's what you are doing, just as if you were sighted and clicking on one task bar icon after the other to go from program to program. I'm sure they meant it to be a helpful feature, although it seems to me pretty extraneous like some sort of beginner's level verbosity. I mean, if you're just learning how to open doors in a house, this is the sort of thing that would report "opening door" every time you did it, although, pretty soon, you'd know perfectly well when you are opening a door, and not need to hear that confirmation any more. So it would be nice if it could just be turned off, like tutor messages. But for me, the one eccentric thing it does is say this only the very first time during a day of using Jaws 8, only one time. After that, no matter how many times I cycle around from open application to open application with Alt tab, it never reports that I'm doing this, again. I just think it's one of those imperfect new bells and whistles sort of features that will probably need to be refined eventually so that it stops behaving oddly. As for the Jaws cursor, as I never have the Jaws cursor turned on when I'm switching from one application (task) to another, I have no idea how that affects it. Let me try: Okay. Well, using Jaws cursor and pressing alt tab, my Jaws 8 says nothing at all except Alt Tab. In fact, it doesn't even report which application I'm switching to. Nothing. Just reports my keystroke. And if I turn PC cursor back on, as is normal for me, it just behaves like earlier versions, reporting "alt tab" and saying which application I'm reentering. It hasn't even *said* task switching yet. Weird. Oh, well.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicol Oosthuizen" <NOosthuizen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: press control+down arrow to skip the disclaimer part. subject line: alt+tab. NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf ---- HI A while ago there was a big thread about using alt+tab. One question that came out in this thread was: Why does jaws say task switching if I press alt+tab. I have explored with alt+tab and here is why jaws says task switching. If your jaws cursor is active, jaws will say task switching each time you press alt+tab. So if you don't like jaws saying task switching, press numpad plus for pc cursor. Task switching obviously means you are switching to another program, a program is technically seen as a task in windows.-- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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