RE: new JAWS 9.0.515

  • From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:59:53 -0700

Hi, Yardbird,

As for me, I love this new feature.  I work as a software tester, and
frequently have the need to paste a Web page into an Email so that my
sighted colleagues can review an error that I've discovered.  It was
frustrating to have JAWS reformat that page, when if I were to cut and paste
from Word, for instance, it wouldn't change the formatting.  When debugging
software, it's highly useful to see a screen as it appears, and not as JAWS
interprets it.

As to the on-screen highlight, I don't use that option, but it displays what
portion of the Web page you've selected for copying.  It has two benefits,
probably.  First, it allows someone standing over your shoulder to see what
you've highlighted, and second, it allows a user with some amount of vision
to verify visually what portion of the page they've highlighted before they
copy it.

With all that said, if this feature were crashing when I copied into Word,
I'd definitely be annoyed.  Fortunately, I haven't seen that behavior thus
far.

At least if you change the setting in the Insert-V menu, it is preserved
from one Internet Explorer session to the next.

Lora


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of James Scholes
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:47 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

Aparrently, the crashing of word is a common thing with this new feature of
jaws, so you are not the only one. I haven't tried it myself, but I have
seen comments on a few list today about how word keeps crashing when someone
pastes something in to it using jaws 9.

James Scholes

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:25 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

> Don,
>
> I, too, had read through the list of new features, and appreciated the 
> potential usefulness of the new capability. But I didn't notice 
> anything about it being the new default, for one thing. Secondly, I 
> don't understand why choosing the "wrong" mode of copying should have 
> crashed Word. In fact,
> isn't that one of the stated purposes   of this new capability? To copy a
> Web page in all its details into a document or an email? I could swear 
> that was the point of it. In any case, I'll experiment, but if that's 
> actually become the default, I'll regret that. I actually don't think 
> of wanting to copy a Web page in that way, myself, so I don't really 
> feel that advantaged by the change. But that's just me. Maybe a lot of 
> people want to send each other Web pages with all their graphical 
> features and links and stuff.
> That's fine. No complaint. I just wish my own routine hadn't suddenly 
> become a hassle for me.
>
> Now, let me look below. You say there are three options now. do you 
> happen to understand what the difference is between copy full web page 
> and copy full web page with highlights? Just curious.
>
> Also, I'm hoping desperately that I can go into Configuration Manager 
> and reset the default to virtual cursor copy. Can I? Where would I 
> look for this. In HTML options, probably?
>
> Thanks. Wow, this is sort of a relief, anyway. Again, why should it be 
> crashing Word if that's what it was supposed to be for? That puzzles me.
>
> I
>
> pagees jjuexperiement,,efatul1defaultdefatul!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
> Hi again,
>
>    Yes, I did have some of those problems, particularly with Copying 
> and Pasting from a web page into a Word document. Then, I looked at 
> the "What's New" section on the FS site and found the solution.
>
> In JAWS 9.0, when you are in Internet Explorer, you have the option to 
> Copy & Paste a web page exactly as it appears to a sighted person, 
> including usable links & pictures, etc. or you can Copy & Paste the 
> web page just as text, which is the way it was always Copied & Pasted 
> in earlier versions of JAWS. To toggle this back & forth, open 
> Internet Explorer & press Insert v, which now gives you a Tree View. 
> Cursor down to Virtual Cursor Options open & cursor right. You will 
> hear Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor or Select & Copy full content 
> or Select & Copy full content using onscreen highlight; you can toggle 
> among these 3 options by pressing the SpaceBar. Once you are on the 
> option you want, Tab around to Execute & press the SpaceBar on the 
> Execute button. Note: the option you want is Select and Copy from 
> Virtual Cursor.
>
>
>
>    Hope this helps,
>
>
>
>    Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
>> Don,
>>
>> yes. Let's say you're on a Web page. A normal Web page. The printer 
>> friendly version of a New York Times article at nytimes.com, for 
>> example. Nothing unusual about the page itself.
>>
>> Now, sometimes I like to copy and paste such an article into an 
>> email, or even into a Word document. I know other ways to send a URL 
>> or a Web page, and I know how to save the page as a text file and 
>> then copy and paste from that new file, if I wish to. But never mind 
>> these options. I'm not looking for an alternative. I'm simply 
>> describing a function that doesn't work correctly anymore.
>>
>> Okay. So I'm on the page. I press Control A to select all. I hear 
>> Jaws report that so many characters have been selected, which is normal.
>> However,
>> and this may be a clue to anyone else who's partially sighted, as I am: 
>> At
>> this point, the selected material always used to darken, which from 
>> better-sighted days I remember was the visual clue to what material 
>> had been selected. Well, now the selected text doesn't change 
>> appearance. That isn't a complaint. It's a possible clue to eventual 
>> diagnosis by the pros.
>>
>> Okay. Then I press Control C. I hear Jaws report that I've copied the 
>> material to the clipboard. Except for the lack of contrast change up 
>> to that point, it must sound as if everything's normal. However, 
>> interestingly, it's at this point, as I perform the copy keystroke, 
>> that the selected text darkens. This is weird. Again, maybe a clue to 
>> a programmer type.
>>
>> Now, if I paste this material into an email I'm creating, it works, 
>> although with one odd glitch, which may be another clue about 
>> something: It creates so many blank lines above the first line of the 
>> text on the page that at least the first screen of my new email is 
>> blank, and to see that the text has been pasted, I have to arrow down 
>> quite a bit until I come to any of it.
>>
>> Now, that's a bit odd, of course. But here's an even worse result. If 
>> I paste the same thing into an open Word 2000 document,the Word doc 
>> remains blank for a moment, and then Word crashes, providing a 
>> dialogue asking whether I want to send a report, etc. Afterward, for 
>> several launches, Word asks questions about the normal.dot template, 
>> which I wasn't aware of having altered, or forbids me to exit Word 
>> without doing something to save a version of that template, when I 
>> have no idea why it's giving me a hard time. If I play tricks, can't 
>> even remember how I got out of this last time, it finally gives up 
>> and lets me exit in a normal way, but the whole experience is crazy.
>>
>> And it is caused by my attempting to paste in a Web page I've copied 
>> to clipboard, as I said. Something which has always been a perfectly 
>> normal operation.
>>
>> I hope that's a good enough description. Has something like this 
>> happened to you? Or were you just curious?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>>
>>
>> Hi Yardbird,
>>
>>    You wrote, in part:
>>
>> "IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard 
>> doesn't work right" (end of quote)
>>
>> Could you please elaborate on this?
>>
>>    Don
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>>
>>
>>> It seems some users aren't experiencing many, or any, inconveniences 
>>> with this release, but over the couple of days I've had it 
>>> installed, I'm discovering quite an inventory of problems, which I'm 
>>> compiling a list of so that I can report as much as possible to FS 
>>> at the same time. Here are some examples, and I'd be curious to know 
>>> if anyone else is having the same issues.
>>>
>>> IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard 
>>> doesn't work right, and if I don't play games like pressing Control 
>>> C twice instead of once (learned by experimenting), then trying to 
>>> paste into an open Word document crashes Word.
>>>
>>> In edit fields like the Save As dialogue in Word and the hotkey 
>>> assignment in properties for a program icon, Jaws doesn't echo 
>>> typing or speak when I use Say Line. Oddly, it does speak the 
>>> autocomplete as it fills in the path and filename edit field in Save 
>>> As, which of course gets ahead of what I'm trying to do, but it 
>>> won't allow me to read what has been auto filled in and edit it. Nor 
>>> to edit what I type in myself after selecting and deleting that 
>>> stuff. Useless.
>>>
>>> When beginning to type a message in the message area of a new 
>>> Outlook Express message, Jaws speaks whatever it accidentally is 
>>> focused on, which is sometimes the From line of the headers, 
>>> sometimes the To line, and so forth. Very quirky, although more 
>>> annoying than disabling, unlike the above examples.
>>>
>>> And here's some unwelcome news to share. Scripts for AdAware and 
>>> Spyware Blaster aren't working at all. I've explored both with the 
>>> Jaws cursor, but can't make much sense of either, and that's okay. 
>>> I've exited this version and launched Jaws 8 so I can get things 
>>> done today. Now to alt tab around the task bar and see if Lavasoft 
>>> finally finished downloading the latest AdAware update. Now and then 
>>> the update downloads as quickly as it always has, but more often, it 
>>> creeps along or just sticks for minutes at a time.
>>> No, I'm not having download issues otherwise. It's Lavasoft, not me.
>>>
>>> Okay, that's it so far. Going to write to FS and pretend to myself 
>>> I'm taking part in the public Beta testing. After the final release.
>>> Whatever...
>>> <shrug>
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