RE: new JAWS 9.0.515

  • From: Ryan MacIsaac <jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:21:07 -0400

Hi,

You don't make this change in the configuration manager. This change is made
in the new Jaws options tree view which you access by pressing the Jaws key
plus V. To make the change, do the following:

1. Open your web browser.

2. Press the Jaws key plus V to open the new tree view for Jaws options.

3. Press the down arrow key to find the option for select and copy. This is
found under the virtual cursor options. You should have to press the down
arrow key three or four times to find this option.

4. When you find the select and copy option, you can press the tab key to
move to the help window. Use the say all command to read the help
information for the select and copy option.

5. Use the shift tab key to move back to the tree view. Press the space bar
to change the options for the select and copy option. To make the option
work the way it did in earlier versions of Jaws, select the "from virtual
cursor" option.

As a side note, your version of Word may be crashing because the full
content option is the default in Jaws 9. This feature may not work properly
using Word 2000. From what I understand, some of the features that were
improved in Jaws 9 for Word may have only been done for Word 2002, Word 2003
and Word 2007. This is what may be causing your crash problem with Word
2000.

Ryan






-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:25 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

Don,

I, too, had read through the list of new features, and appreciated the 
potential usefulness of the new capability. But I didn't notice anything 
about it being the new default, for one thing. Secondly, I don't understand 
why choosing the "wrong" mode of copying should have crashed Word. In fact, 
isn't that one of the stated purposes   of this new capability? To copy a 
Web page in all its details into a document or an email? I could swear that 
was the point of it. In any case, I'll experiment, but if that's actually 
become the default, I'll regret that. I actually don't think of wanting to 
copy a Web page in that way, myself, so I don't really feel that advantaged 
by the change. But that's just me. Maybe a lot of people want to send each 
other Web pages with all their graphical features and links and stuff. 
That's fine. No complaint. I just wish my own routine hadn't suddenly become

a hassle for me.

Now, let me look below. You say there are three options now. do you happen 
to understand what the difference is between copy full web page and copy 
full web page with highlights? Just curious.

Also, I'm hoping desperately that I can go into Configuration Manager and 
reset the default to virtual cursor copy. Can I? Where would I look for 
this. In HTML options, probably?

Thanks. Wow, this is sort of a relief, anyway. Again, why should it be 
crashing Word if that's what it was supposed to be for? That puzzles me.

I

pagees jjuexperiement,,efatul1defaultdefatul!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


Hi again,

    Yes, I did have some of those problems, particularly with Copying and
Pasting from a web page into a Word document. Then, I looked at the "What's
New" section on the FS site and found the solution.

In JAWS 9.0, when you are in Internet Explorer, you have the option to Copy
& Paste a web page exactly as it appears to a sighted person, including
usable links & pictures, etc. or you can Copy & Paste the web page just as
text, which is the way it was always Copied & Pasted in earlier versions of
JAWS. To toggle this back & forth, open Internet Explorer & press Insert v,
which now gives you a Tree View. Cursor down to Virtual Cursor Options open
& cursor right. You will hear Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor or Select
& Copy full content or Select & Copy full content using onscreen highlight;
you can toggle among these 3 options by pressing the SpaceBar. Once you are
on the option you want, Tab around to Execute & press the SpaceBar on the
Execute button. Note: the option you want is Select and Copy from Virtual
Cursor.



    Hope this helps,



    Don

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


> Don,
>
> yes. Let's say you're on a Web page. A normal Web page. The printer
> friendly
> version of a New York Times article at nytimes.com, for example. Nothing
> unusual about the page itself.
>
> Now, sometimes I like to copy and paste such an article into an email, or
> even into a Word document. I know other ways to send a URL or a Web page,
> and I know how to save the page as a text file and then copy and paste
> from
> that new file, if I wish to. But never mind these options. I'm not looking
> for an alternative. I'm simply describing a function that doesn't work
> correctly anymore.
>
> Okay. So I'm on the page. I press Control A to select all. I hear Jaws
> report that so many characters have been selected, which is normal.
> However,
> and this may be a clue to anyone else who's partially sighted, as I am: At
> this point, the selected material always used to darken, which from
> better-sighted days I remember was the visual clue to what material had
> been
> selected. Well, now the selected text doesn't change appearance. That
> isn't
> a complaint. It's a possible clue to eventual diagnosis by the pros.
>
> Okay. Then I press Control C. I hear Jaws report that I've copied the
> material to the clipboard. Except for the lack of contrast change up to
> that
> point, it must sound as if everything's normal. However, interestingly,
> it's
> at this point, as I perform the copy keystroke, that the selected text
> darkens. This is weird. Again, maybe a clue to a programmer type.
>
> Now, if I paste this material into an email I'm creating, it works,
> although
> with one odd glitch, which may be another clue about something: It creates
> so many blank lines above the first line of the text on the page that at
> least the first screen of my new email is blank, and to see that the text
> has been pasted, I have to arrow down quite a bit until I come to any of
> it.
>
> Now, that's a bit odd, of course. But here's an even worse result. If I
> paste the same thing into an open Word 2000 document,the Word doc remains
> blank for a moment, and then Word crashes, providing a dialogue asking
> whether I want to send a report, etc. Afterward, for several launches,
> Word
> asks questions about the normal.dot template, which I wasn't aware of
> having
> altered, or forbids me to exit Word without doing something to save a
> version of that template, when I have no idea why it's giving me a hard
> time. If I play tricks, can't even remember how I got out of this last
> time,
> it finally gives up and lets me exit in a normal way, but the whole
> experience is crazy.
>
> And it is caused by my attempting to paste in a Web page I've copied to
> clipboard, as I said. Something which has always been a perfectly normal
> operation.
>
> I hope that's a good enough description. Has something like this happened
> to
> you? Or were you just curious?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
> Hi Yardbird,
>
>    You wrote, in part:
>
> "IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard doesn't
> work right" (end of quote)
>
> Could you please elaborate on this?
>
>    Don
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
>> It seems some users aren't experiencing many, or any, inconveniences with
>> this release, but over the couple of days I've had it installed, I'm
>> discovering quite an inventory of problems, which I'm compiling a list of
>> so
>> that I can report as much as possible to FS at the same time. Here are
>> some
>> examples, and I'd be curious to know if anyone else is having the same
>> issues.
>>
>> IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard doesn't
>> work right, and if I don't play games like pressing Control C twice
>> instead
>> of once (learned by experimenting), then trying to paste into an open
>> Word
>> document crashes Word.
>>
>> In edit fields like the Save As dialogue in Word and the hotkey
>> assignment
>> in properties for a program icon, Jaws doesn't echo typing or speak when
>> I
>> use Say Line. Oddly, it does speak the autocomplete as it fills in the
>> path
>> and filename edit field in Save As, which of course gets ahead of what
>> I'm
>> trying to do, but it won't allow me to read what has been auto filled in
>> and
>> edit it. Nor to edit what I type in myself after selecting and deleting
>> that
>> stuff. Useless.
>>
>> When beginning to type a message in the message area of a new Outlook
>> Express message, Jaws speaks whatever it accidentally is focused on,
>> which
>> is sometimes the From line of the headers, sometimes the To line, and so
>> forth. Very quirky, although more annoying than disabling, unlike the
>> above
>> examples.
>>
>> And here's some unwelcome news to share. Scripts for AdAware and Spyware
>> Blaster aren't working at all. I've explored both with the Jaws cursor,
>> but
>> can't make much sense of either, and that's okay. I've exited this
>> version
>> and launched Jaws 8 so I can get things done today. Now to alt tab around
>> the task bar and see if Lavasoft finally finished downloading the latest
>> AdAware update. Now and then the update downloads as quickly as it always
>> has, but more often, it creeps along or just sticks for minutes at a
>> time.
>> No, I'm not having download issues otherwise. It's Lavasoft, not me.
>>
>> Okay, that's it so far. Going to write to FS and pretend to myself I'm
>> taking part in the public Beta testing. After the final release.
>> Whatever...
>> <shrug>
>>
>> --
>> JFW related links:
>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
>> Scripting mailing list:
>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
>> JFW List instructions:
>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>
>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> --
> JFW related links:
> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> Scripting mailing list:
> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> JFW List instructions:
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
> the
> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
> the
> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> --
> JFW related links:
> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> Scripting mailing list:
> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> JFW List instructions:
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: 
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to 
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the

way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the 
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: 
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to 
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the 
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the 
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Other related posts: